Dnia poniedziałek, 11 sierpnia 2014 17:24:08 Juan pisze: > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 11:13:10 +0200 > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dnia wtorek, 5 sierpnia 2014 20:31:26 Juan pisze: > > > On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 00:19:17 +0200 > > > > > > rysiek <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > One of the things I have learnt during the years of my brushing > > > > shoulders with Teh Gummint (public consultations, conferences, > > > > etc) is that a huge bureaucracy like a government is bound to have > > > > conflicting interests and fund/take conflicting actions. > > > > > > > > Governments are not homogeneous, to say the least. > > > > > > Governments are pretty homoneneous criminal organizations. > > > > > > The fact that sometimes different government factions within a > > > > > > given government quarrel a bit over the spoils is basically > > > meaningless, from the point of view of government victims at > > > least. > > > > Well, obviously you haven't much experience with how governments look > > from the inside. > > ...but I do have some inside information about the 'legal > system', having been raised by lawyers =P > > > Ministries and departments have different and conflicting policies > > regarding some of their overlapping responsibilities, and the flow of > > information is a real problem. Add to that some personal animosities > > and ambitions and you get a clusterfuck of an organisation. > > Yes, all of that is true. I am aware of the fact that there are > different factions inside a government. I did explicitly > mention that. It doesn't affect my argument(s) though. > > > A clusterfuck leaving quite a lot of space for projects like Tor. > > Sorry, but that's circular. > > You *assume* tor isn't designed as a tool to further imperial > american policies and you arrive at the conclusion that there > are some 'good guys' in the US government.
No, I didn't say there are any "good guys" (nor that there aren't any, mind you). But even between a clusterfuck of "bad guys", each dragging in their own direction, simply *because* they are dragging all in different directions, there might be space for some neat projects. Think of it as a hack on the system. Guy A needs total secrecy of communication for their moles in third world countries and finances a tool that incidentally is a huge PITA for guy B, that tries to surveil everything and everybody. Guy A and guy B are far enough from each other (system/hierarchy/department/competence-wise) that they do not co-operate, nor even know of each other too well. Or: they know of each other and are in a state of "cold war" for resources or ambition-related aims. -- Pozdr rysiek
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