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On 08/17/2016 09:46 PM, Mirimir wrote:

> Arguing about anthropogenic climate forcing is just fucking
> useless. The latency is too great, and there are too many positive
> feedbacks. By the time that impacts are undeniable enough to
> motivate substantial reductions in CO2 emissions, it will be too
> late.

About the time follow up studies measured and confirmed annual summer
methane discharges from thawed out former Arctic permafrost (ancient
peat bogs, tidal flats etc.), climatologists stopped talking about
"stopping" much less reversing global warming.

So far I am not aware of any positive public statements from competent
actors to the effect that global warming is now self-driving
regardless of human activity.  I suspect there is a quiet consensus
that telling this particular truth would do more harm that good:  The
human contribution to global warming does continue to accelerate the
process and enlarge its "final" impact, so statements that could be
taken as excuses to just give up on reducing greenhouse gas emissions
would be counter-productive.

With or without global warming, the exponential growth of human
population and the industrial processes that drive this growth had to
end sometime.  That time is "real soon now."

:o/


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