On August 23, 2016 5:56:39 PM EDT, Sean Lynch <[email protected]> wrote: >On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 3:38 AM John Newman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > On Aug 17, 2016, at 3:12 AM, Tom <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 01:30:17PM +1000, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> A major distro heading that way (e.g. Debian) might encourage >developers >> >> to increase the configurability of their own software perhaps? >> > >> > Developers != distro|package maintainers, and free software should >be >> > portable and not distro specific. So, developers wouldn't have >anything >> to >> > do here, only maintainers. >> > >> >> Ahah! Yes so we need a new default packaging/ installation format >to be >> >> supported by RPM and DPKG, to support the better way, e.g.: >> > >> > https://xkcd.com/927/ :) >> > >> >> So look into /var/lib/dpkg/info - that's heading for 9K files on >my >> >> system - and this is a relatively fresh install (<12months)! >> >> >> >> That's not human friendly. >> > >> > Because humans are not the intended audience for this stuff. >> > Use dpkg -l [| less or the like]. >> > >> >> The point is just multiple versions parallel installs, that's all. >> > >> > There are already solutions for this, e.g. look at PC-BSDs >packages. >> > Or use a container. Or compile yourself and >> >> Docker might be a little big for every binary in the system ;). I >tend to >> agree that the base system is ok without being a bunch of symlinks, >but >> doing something like this for /usr/local does work great on OSX with >> homebrew (which is written in ruby btw) >> > > +1 for Homebrew on Macs, but then you're using a Mac ;-) >
I just got dual display functionality working properly on my hackintosh. For years I ran only Linux or FreeBSD at home but I'm afraid I was rather seduced by the combination of Unix and good UI / apps that Mac OSX brought...and when combined with the low price point of a hackintosh (and the big fuck you to capitalism), it's hard to resist... Of course I still use a Linux desktop at work, primary hosted server is freebsd, etc. .. >There's also Nix and its GNU NIH copy Guix, which can be installed in >your >homedir or /usr/local on most Unix-like systems. They both have the >added >advantage of having any number of separate "profiles" (i.e. symlink >farms) >for building packages, doing day-to-day stuff, etc. And since they >modify >the system monotonically, you can always roll back packages (but not >any >non-versioned state) semi-atomically, take snapshots (which you could >do >with ZFS anyway), etc. Somehow I've never played with this particular piece of software... Will check out. >"Docker for everything" is not a totally off the wall idea. Not >specifically docker but namespaces & cgroups for making software that's >used to Unix-like discretionary access controls and make it act more >like >object-capability software. You'd need a UI or shell or something for >expressing what capabilities to pass along, for example something that >interprets annotated filenames, converts them to filenames in the >process's >own namespace, and handles mounting the files into the process's >namespace. >Of course, then you're probably just reinventing SELinux or something, >though I do think there's potential there to make the user interface a >little less obtuse than SELinux policies. I don't need /bin/ls and /bin/cp and /bin/[insert simple base util here] wrapped in a container and never found SELinux worth the hassle, but I suppose some people might want that level of headache... ;). John -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
