On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 03:58:44PM +0200, carlo von lynX wrote: > On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 09:44:55AM -0400, Nathaniel Suchy wrote: > > On 2016-08-28 02:18, Andreas Krey wrote: > > >On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 13:25:58 +0000, carlo von lynX wrote: > > >... > > >>I still don't understand why you guys hang out on a public surveilled > > >>IRC network where each line you type goes straight into XKEYSCORE. > > > > > >Because user management? When you change the irc channels to > > >something secured you have a lot to do with managing the user > > >list while it only takes one account to slip through to still > > >get recorded at NSA. And you lose the occasional lurkers > > >that may actually contribute in some form later. > > > > You make a good point. As Dave said "Is it any different than > > participating in a public surveilled mailing > > list?" I don't see a difference. The NSA can and probably does look > > at both. > > Not can. Not look. Just store, forever. > > Of course also the mailing list, but a mailing list isn't a place > where you smalltalk, speak about food, world view, relationships > and where to go out tonight. Even if you use side channels or /msg, > it all ends up in the big tank unless you employ plenty of OTR. > > OTOH I understand that Torproject has no perspective of anything > being private any longer, so Andreas has a point. Torproject is a > target, not a victim of bulk surveillance.
I was about to reply and write "s/target/honey-pot/" to remind fellow cp'ers of our not really shared but otherwise collective belief system, and realised I was reading tor-talk and no point even trying on that list.
