On 09/11/2016 11:59 PM, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > > > "True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots > the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid > opinions can be debated and society can grow." > > No I don't agree with you. Sorry but you dont get to define what free > speech is.
You don't get to redefine what free means. See <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/free>. I see nothing there about limits or restrictions. > In 18c we arent talking about what is unpopular but what is public > vilification. There is a difference between debate and personal > attacks.Personal attacks whether physical or verbal are not acceptable > and are criminal in civilized society. It is what it is. But it's not free speech if there are restrictions. > Free speech like guns can hurt when in the wrong hands, it is not > something that hatefull fwits can hide behind. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "oshwm" > To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , > Cc: > Sent:Mon, 12 Sep 2016 06:15:46 +0100 > Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - > [perso...@bernardgaynorcom.au: Update: battle for free speech] > > The bottom line is that you DO NOT believe in freespeech but are > trying to convince yourself and others that you do. > > People like you who try to pass off controlled or restricted speech > as free speech are trying to redefine the term because you are too > afraid to accept the fact that you want to restrict others rights to > suit your own purposes. > > True free speech demands that you allow horrible small minded idiots > the right to say vile things in public so that all unpopular but valid > opinions can be debated and society can grow. > > On 12 September 2016 01:13:57 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > the bottom line is that assholes cant hide behind their vile and call > it free speech and find protection > im fine with finger pointing at the asshat and calling them out on > being what they are > i also believe in gun control and legal abortion. > encypt your conversations and be a dick in private with other > dicksthis i think you have the right to.importantly that you have > right to privacy. the right to be free, to talk openly in private > without being monitored by others. > this is what I think freedom of speech is. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "oshwm" > To:"Nadine Earnshaw" > > _"PUBLIC PLACE " _includes any place to which the public have access > as of right or by invitation, whether express or implied and whether > or not a charge is made for admission to the place > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "oshwm" > To:"Nadine Earnshaw" , "CypherPunks" > Cc: > Sent:Thu, 08 Sep 2016 06:18:31 +0100 > Subject:Re: Free speech - front lines in Australia - > [perso...@bernardgaynor.com.au: Update: battle for free speech] > > So, free speech is ok so long as it is only used t o say yhe things > you find acceptable? :D > > On 8 September 2016 04:09:38 GMT+01:00, Nadine Earnshaw wrote: > freedom of speech does not protect hate speechand that is what 18c > which Bernard supports being removed. > He is free to say > "I wouldn't let a gay person teach my children and I am not afraid to > say it," a Twitter post from Mr Gaynor read. > but there is a line and that is what 18c is about. > http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/rda1975202/s18c.html > He is free to be a dick in private. Clearly with his being dismissed > he has trouble with what private is. > > >>Bernard Gaynor is a controversial Australian with conservative > pro-family views whom some would say is ultra-conservative, to which > I > would counter "that's just your post-modern moral relativism which > dominates the current Western public and social dialogue". > > So, notwithstanding anyone's particular views on any particular issue > which Bernard Gaynor stands for and champions (at least one of which > I > strongly disagree with), his stand for freedom of speech is superb, > courageous, persistent, and thyankfully a following has formed which > donates to keep him and his family afloat in the face of the legal > fees > and the many personal sacrifices he has chosen to make, and some > which > he has and continues to suffer at the hands of his opponents, > including > the chief of the Australian Army who stepped down to an early > retirement > in "moral disgrace" and knowing that he would not survive his very > political attack against Bernard Gaynor's personal stands as an > Australian Army reserve man (he sacked Bernard amongst other things). > > So plenty to debate, but the guts of this is free speech and the long > standing statutory infractions against our right to freedom of > speech, > and in particular as we name it for necessary but quirky reasons in > Australia for legal and constitutional purposes: > > freedom to communicate on political and related matters > > Good luck Bernard, > > ----- Forwarded message from Bernard Gaynor ----- > Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2016 01:07:53 +0000 > From: Bernard Gaynor > To: Zenaan Harkiss > Reply-To: Bernard Gaynor > Subject: Update: battle for free speech > > View this email in your browser > (http://us11.campaign-archive1com/?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210&id=7eba298bf2&e=761ea41511) > > > http://bernardgaynor.us11.list-manage.com/track/click?u=2f7e1c8c95718aa1558f96210&id=2fa4ad34a5&e=761ea41511 > Dear Zenaan, > > Contents > * Free Speech Update (#legalupdate) > * Fundraising Dinner (#qoty) > * Please help - donate $1 per week today (#pleasehelp) > > Since I last wrote to you on 22 August, there has been plenty of > action > in the battle to speak the truth and speak it freely. > > First of all, I must thank all those who donated to assist in this > battle. I incurred over $23,000 in fees last month. There is simply > no > way that I could afford to wage this fight without your support. I am > deeply grateful and humble for that assistance. > > Secondly, the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal held a > Directions > Hearing on 31 August. The court room was packed and there was > standing > room only. I counted at least 18 barristers and solicitors there. The > Commonwealth has intervened and so has the state of New South Wales. > This matter is attracting high levels of attention, even if the media > are not paying any interest (yet). > > Importantly, the Court accepted an amendment to our summons that we > obtain a: > > Declaration that sections 49ZS and 49ZT of the Anti-Discrimination > Act > (NSW) 1977 are invalid in that they impair the Plaintiff's right to > freedom of political communication or impair his freedom of religion > under Constitution section 116. > > I have been busy this week preparing submissions and other > documentation > to support our case. Obviously, I will not discuss our arguments in > detail here and will respectfully leave them for the consideration of > the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal. > > The matter has been set down for hearing in November. Suffice to say > that a victory against the Anti-Discrimination Act (NSW) 1977 will > have > very serious ramifications for all other anti-discrimination laws, > including S18C of the Racial Discrimination Act (Cth) 1975. In other > words, the outcome of this case may well destroy anti-free speech > laws > before the politicians in parliament ever get around to repealing > them. > > As such, when it comes to free speech, this battle is the number one > game in town. And let's all hope that it is successful. Australians > should not be forced to apologise for their conservative views on > family > and morality. I, for one, won't. > > Thirdly, the New South Wales Civil and Administrative Tribunal held a > Case Conference yesterday and decided to proceed with an additional 8 > complaints against me from Garry Burns, even though these matters are > before the New South Wales Supreme Court of Appeal and even though > the > Tribunal has already determined that there is no jurisdiction under > New > South Wales anti-discrimination law to lodged complaints against > people > in Queensland. > > Don't ask me to explain the logic here. I can't. But the matter has > been > set for another Case Conference on 14 December 2016. > > As far as I am concerned, the Tribunal and the Anti-Discrimination > Board > below it are acting far beyond their powers. However, I will deal > with > that issue after the main game, which is the action in the Court of > Appeal. > > I was very grateful for the support I received at a fundraising > dinner > held at the Coorparoo RSL on 27 August. Robyn Sully did a tremendous > job > organising it and nearly 100 people attended. > > We are now in the early stages of planning to organise other such > dinners across Australia. From the feedback received, attendees found > it > a very good way of understanding these matters and their importance. > From my perspective, it was an extremely effective way of getting > this > particular story out and explaining to Australians how all of us are > affected by totalitarian laws that seek to target conservative > political > beliefs. > > If you are interested in attending the next dinner in Brisbane it > will > be held at the Coorparoo RSL on 29 October at 6pm. > > Please email Robyn at robynsu...@hotmail.com > (mailto:robynsu...@hotmail.com?subject=Fundraising%20Dinner) to book > and > for further details. > > Thank you once again to all who have assisted financially, especially > over the past month. 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