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On 09/21/2016 10:36 AM, John Newman wrote: > On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 02:04:25PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 03:33:24PM -0400, John wrote: >> For me a plausible counter example appears a late Bulgarian >> phenomenon Baba Vanga (???????? ??????????), who allegedly could >> predict future with high accuracy and see in the past. She >> survived practicing in times of advanced socialism, not telling >> ill people they will die soon. I can't figure out how this >> doesn't break causality, neither care. >> >> Call me a crazy nut for the above. >> >> The wikipedia page about her, likely with a lot of >> disinformation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Vanga > > Hmm... I am pretty (extremely) cynical about such things, but, > really, who fucking knows.... There is no doubt the "standard > model" changes, but I like to think these "advances" are based on > slightly harder science than Baba Vanga :P I tell people that anyone who has ever kept a dream journal for a substantial length of time will learn that time is not what we think it is. In my case, I was rather shocked to find descriptions of several people I had not /yet/ met in real life, and how we would interact some months later. On another occasion, I found a detailed description of events - the date confirmed as correct per the a note that the moon was full - that one week later neither I nor anyone else involved remembered, in a regular journal. Mind = blown. None of this can or should persuade anyone but me that something damned strange is going on with this "reality" thing. But I was and remain so persuaded. Now the question is, what does it mean and what can I do with/to/about it? So far the only answer I get is "just be aware that you don't know what you think you know about how reality works." And worse - maybe Phil Dick was right. :o/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJX4txcAAoJEECU6c5XzmuqMDAH/jxReYDZO5JssTmINwrcnhUE JXfpJ7lBcn2wVP8Lz5i3LA2QS6R07uD/7oDvCWTZDfePc8qyOuYuvUgOsaVoXMEK RUJsayFbVCyzQG7dS0kdalTlinfo5fxZp4ZS0X18je+Rrq/YPQ/M1zANDkqg8UV9 9vWZzCzEWnIEQjcH94yx+fYgeBdzddialfAxaxWovM0sKh7vXUmw/eFpNrSBKaIg ZtA5231xvAowc2gi0D9goF4hvbBL6mAk6lObumSSpjA8OouIsnzYT4v2yXIQWYdj 2R6LjeuVZ5WceD7HuhmE//rcG7nBrzbyem+twZY4F3rJvX2HUo0xV54HZjfRZ/o= =kx2c -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----