On 11/11/16 12:05 PM, Razer wrote: > > > > On 11/11/2016 11:12 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >> Specific and well-known historical record is obtuse? I don't think you know >> what that word means. >> >> sdw > > Yes I do. It means tangential... surrounded by blather... > > Go look it up. You bury grams of information in pounds of trash talk.
No, it doesn't: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/obtuse > adjective > > 1. > not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or > observant; dull. sdw > > Rr > > >> >> On 11/11/16 10:54 AM, Razer wrote: >>> >>> Dude! You EXEMPLIFY "Obtuse". >>> >>> >>> On 11/11/2016 10:30 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>> On 11/11/16 10:19 AM, Razer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/11/2016 09:33 AM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute >>>>>> anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I said or implied nothing of the sort. The implication is he took code he >>>>> owned and open-sourced it. I think that's pretty >>>>> fucking obvious troll. >>>> >>>> You said: >>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence >>>>> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a >>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >>>> >>>> I interpreted that as: >>>> >>>> CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE ... [some implied connection] a ham radio >>>> operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a >>>> Torvalds'. >>>> >>>> I couldn't tell if you were referring to later implementations and use of >>>> things like KA9Q as somehow affecting the fact that >>>> he designed the protocol a decade or more earlier, or if you were saying >>>> that he was a ham radio operator on some team who took >>>> all the credit for a team effort as Linus (quite fairly) has. Since none >>>> of it seems very logical, and the former is >>>> ridiculous, I took my best guess at meaning. >>>> >>>> Misunderstanding your poor communication is not trolling. Being obtuse >>>> then calling misunderstandings trolling is trolling. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rr >>>> >>>> sdw >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> VC never said he developed TCP/IP alone, which is why I said >>>>>> co-invented. Of course there were previous tries at solving >>>>>> networking problems that were learned from, but they were flawed and we >>>>>> no longer use any of them. Similarly, every patent >>>>>> depends on the existence of prior ideas, but is recognized as being a >>>>>> significant leap forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf >>>>>>> After receiving his doctorate, Cerf became an assistant professor >>>>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professor#Assistant_professor> at >>>>>>> Stanford University from 1972–1976, where he conducted >>>>>>> research on packet network interconnection protocols and co-designed >>>>>>> the DoD TCP/IP protocol suite with Kahn. >>>>>> >>>>>> TCP/IP solved, to a large extent, every core network protocol problem >>>>>> that needed to be solved to build a working Internet. >>>>>> It is amazing that very few changes were made since the first released >>>>>> version. We all know what we mean by "Vint Cerf >>>>>> invented the Internet." We know there was more to it, but what he did >>>>>> enabled everything else with an elegant solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Did a Torvalds"? Are you now saying that Linus didn't contribute >>>>>> anything significant either? Oh my. You are so clueless. >>>>>> >>>>>> You're ideology is strange and not very useful. >>>>>> >>>>>> We all wish we could have contributed as centrally to the Internet and >>>>>> related advances. But that doesn't mean we don't >>>>>> value and appreciate those who did. It could have been much worse in >>>>>> many ways. We could be paying packet charges to >>>>>> national telecoms with only centralized "security", for instance. We >>>>>> are very very lucky, and not in an anthropic principle way. >>>>>> >>>>>> sdw >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/11/16 9:00 AM, Razer wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is exactly what I mean... CERF DID NOT DEVELOP TCPIP ALONE, hence >>>>>>> all sorts of offshoots like TP-K inos, jnos etc b/c a >>>>>>> ham radio operator who was on the tcipip dev team 'did a Torvalds'. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's like saying Wozniak and Gates developed personal computers. It's >>>>>>> literally idiotic and historically vacant. A >>>>>>> stupid-ing down of the history of the internet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 09:03 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: >>>>>>>> On 11/10/16 7:39 PM, Razer wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/10/2016 03:14 PM, Mr Harkness quoted some schmuck: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Twenty-five years ago, Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've seen this claim about a number of different people and you know? >>>>>>>>> It's about as ignorant a thing to say as I can >>>>>>>>> imagine. One person inventing the WWW... ROTF! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> MAYBE the TERM "WWW". >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rr >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are a number of well-known cases of specific individuals >>>>>>>> inventing or co-inventing specific components of the >>>>>>>> Internet and protocols on it. TBL invented the World Wide Web in a >>>>>>>> core and well-known specific sense. Most of us have >>>>>>>> read all about it and a few of us were experiencing it real-time, >>>>>>>> switching from FTP, telnet, and Archie to Mosaic w/ web >>>>>>>> pages. Vint Cerf co-invented TCP/IP, commonly summarized as "invented >>>>>>>> the Internet". I don't know of anyone else who is >>>>>>>> said to have "invented the World Wide Web". There were people who >>>>>>>> earlier suggested some kind of linked shared >>>>>>>> information, like Ted Nelson. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://webfoundation.org/about/vision/history-of-the-web/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sdw >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Stephen D. Williams s...@lig.net stephendwilli...@gmail.com LinkedIn: http://sdw.st/in V:650-450-UNIX (8649) V:866.SDW.UNIX V:703.371.9362 F:703.995.0407 AIM:sdw Skype:StephenDWilliams Yahoo:sdwlignet Resume: http://sdw.st/gres Personal: http://sdw.st facebook.com/sdwlig twitter.com/scienteer