On 03/01/2017 11:11 PM, oshwm wrote:
> I'd take someone with good imagination who has to look up fine details over > someone who has a photographic memory and no imagination any day. The money men opted for lack of imagination and ability to smile at your co-worker even as you plan their assassination. Because it alway worked before. Rr > On 2 March 2017 04:22:34 GMT+00:00, "James A. Donald" <jam...@echeque.com> > wrote: >> On 3/2/2017 1:00 PM, Razer wrote: >>>> A number of programmers have taken it Twitter to bring it to >>>> everyone's, but particularly recruiter's, attention about the >> grueling >>>> interview process in their field that relies heavily on technical >>>> questions. >>>> >>>> David Heinemeier Hansson, a well-known programmer and the creator of >>>> the popular Ruby on Rails coding framework, started it when he >>>> tweeted, "Hello, my name is David. I would fail to write bubble sort >>>> on a whiteboard. I look code up on the internet all the time. I >> don't >>>> do riddles." Another coder added, "Hello, my name is Tim. I'm a lead >>>> at Google with over 30 years coding experience and I need to look up >>>> how to get length of a python string." Another coder chimed in, >> "Hello >>>> my name is Mike, I'm a GDE and lead at NY Times, I don't know what >> np >>>> complete means. Should I?" >>>> >>>> A feature story on The Outline adds: >>>> >>>>> This interview style, widely used by major tech companies including >>>>> Google and Amazon, typically pits candidates against a whiteboard >>>>> without access to reference material -- a scenario working >>>>> programmers say is demoralizing and an unrealistic test of actual >>>>> ability. People spend weeks preparing for this process, afraid that >>>>> the interviewer will quiz them on the one obscure algorithm they >>>>> haven't studied. " >>>>> >>>> A cottage industry has emerged that reminds us uncomfortably of SAT >>>> prep," Karla Monterroso, VP of programs for Code2040, an >> organization >>>> for black and Latino techies, wrote in a critique of the whiteboard >>>> interview. [...] This means companies tend to favor recent computer >>>> science grads from top-tier schools who have had time to cram; in >>>> other words, it doesn't help diversify the field with women, older >>>> people, and people of color. >>>> >>> With links: >>> >> https://developers.slashdot.org/story/17/03/01/1643251/programmers-are-confessing-their-coding-sins-to-protest-a-broken-job-interview-process >> >> >> I have not studied any of these things since forever and a day, but I >> can still pass all of them, and anyone who cannot, should not be hired. >> >> I think the last time I read what a bubble sort was, or had to think >> about a bubble sort, was when I read Knuth, more decades ago than I >> care >> to admit, and yet I can do a bubble sort off the top of my head on a >> whiteboard. >> >> If companies have a lot of people who could not pass these tests, or >> could not pass them without cramming, they should fire a lot of people. > I'd take someone with good imagination who has to look up fine details over > someone who has a photographic memory and no imagination any day.