On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:41:20 +0000 (UTC) jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Monday, March 19, 2018, 10:51:37 PM PDT, Shawn K. Quinn > <skqu...@rushpost.com> wrote: > > On 03/20/2018 12:23 AM, jim bell wrote: > > 'victimless crimes', such as ... illegal re-entry to America > > >I agree with the other examples you cited, but I would not call > >illegal > (re-)immigration a victimless crime in all circumstances. I agree our > immigration laws are broken as currently written and enforced; > however, dealing with illegal aliens takes resources away from the > rest of us, especially given that they often do not pay the > appropriate amount of taxes back into the system compared to someone > here legally. > > > I agree that there are not always sharp demarcation lines between > victimless-crimes and crimes with a victim. Further, there are > crimes with a few clear victims (murder, assault, robbery) and crimes > where the victimization is diffuse (counterfeiting, which arguably > victimizes anybody using a currency). the distinction is pretty sharp. Either there's a victim or not. In the case of theft, murder and counterfeiting all have victims. Counterfeiting is just a more sophisticated version of theft. crossing the imaginy boudaries of the americunt nazi state or any other state is not a crime by any sane, let alone by any libertarian standard. > > When I suggest that illegal re-entry is a 'victimless crime', that > does not mean that there are not other crimes which illegal re-entry > employs (such as people-smuggling) and further, crimes that it > enables: Any crime subsequently committed by a person who is > illegally present in America. there is no such thing as being 'illegaly present in america'. this is the A of the ABC of libertarian philosophy. > Kate Steinle's case in San Francisco > is an excellent example of this. These crimes are ENABLED because > the illegal alien is in America. no such thing as an 'illegal' alien > If he is out of America, he might > still commit crimes, but they would be crimes that some other > government would have to deal with. > > Also, keep in mind that the U.S. government doesn't need to actually > convict these people of some crime, in order to expel them. the the fucking, nazi, americunt government has no right to 'expel' anyone. I think you know that? > Put > simply, if the government had actually been enforcing immigration law > for the last 30+ years, there might easily be a half-million illegals what are you talking about? Didn't you say you are a 'libertarian' and an 'anarchist'? Has Jim Bell's mail account been hacked? > in America, rather that what I suspect to be, 20 million. (the > figures bandied commonly about, 11-12 million are nonsense.) > > So, if ICE actually did its job, .... Jum Bell might want to create a new email account because this one can't belong to him. > much of the crime associated with > illegal aliens simply wouldn't occur. What. Crime. No point in dealing with the rest of your fascist, 1000% anti libertarian vomit. > In that case, it wouldn't > matter whether we call illegal re-entry "victimless" or "with a > victim". Generally, it wouldn't occur, or at least not nearly as > much as today. > > According to this statistic, 31% of all people currently in Federal > prison are known or suspected illegal aliens. > > https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/58-766-in-federal-jails-are-known-or-suspected-illegals-31-of-all-prisoners > > > Is this merely an accident? This chart shows the number of > Federal prisoners since 1980: > > https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/population_statistics.jsp#old_pops > > When I was released, in 2012, the number of prisoners in Federal > prison had, I believe, hit a high-water mark of about 219,000 or so. > Keeping 31% of illegal aliens means that the BOP can employ that many > more prison staff, etc. Jim Bell > > > > × > > > > > >