On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 06:16:51 +0000 (UTC)
jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Friday, December 14, 2018, 2:20:10 PM PST, juan <juan....@gmail.com>
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> On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 16:24:10 -0500
> John Newman <j...@synfin.org> wrote:
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> >> I'm cynical - about AP, about humanity, about the chances of ever
> >> divesting ourself of what seems to be the plotted destination for
> >> civilization: dystopia for the masses.
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> > Don't worry! There will be no dystopia for the masses because there will
> >be no masses. Once the ruling class has enough 'artificially inteligent'
> >robots at their disposal they will get rid of the human robots, who are
> >clearly a potential threat.
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> This sounds like a variant on the Terminator series of movies.
It does - I don't claim any originality =)
So, in the terminator series people create 'autonomous' machines and
then the machines decide to get rid of the human race. More or less the same
scenario is discussed here and not as pure fiction :
"Why the Future Doesn't Need Us"
https://www.wired.com/2000/04/joy-2/
by bill joy, (co)founder of sun microsystems.
I think the stories about out-of-control machines are really dumb. They
are a transparent piece of diversion and propaganda. People like bill joy, who
play the 'good' cop, and the vast majority of technocrats who don't even
pretend to be good, came up with this silly idea that "the machines are to
blame" to try to hide the fact that "the machines" are just the tools they are
using to serve their own political ends. And tools are not moral agents. The
people who use the tools are.
IF you read the bill joy article linked above you will notice that the
best part of it was NOT written by joy
"On the other hand it is possible that human control over the machines
may be retained. In that case the average man may have control over certain
private machines of his own, such as his car or his personal computer, but
control over large systems of machines will be in the hands of a tiny
elite—just as it is today, but with two differences. Due to improved techniques
the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work
will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on
the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the
mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other
psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass
of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite
consists of soft-hearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good
shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see to it that everyone's
physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under
psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to
keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes
"treatment" to cure his "problem." Of course, life will be so purposeless that
people will have to be biologically or psychologically engineered either to
remove their need for the power process or make them "sublimate" their drive
for power into some harmless hobby. These engineered human beings may be happy
in such a society, but they will most certainly not be free. They will have
been reduced to the status of domestic animals"
That's from a guy named Kaczynski.
> Jim Bell
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