Zen, you're in AU? I'm in US and tend to harmfully assume that others are. Masks are economically competitive: like shoes, if you can get all your citizens to wear them then slightly fewer people stop working sometimes due to a problem from not.
Inhaling CO2 just gets you a little tired etc: it doesn't put you out of work. - K There is proof inside many peoples' electronics. Proof that a marketing group would contract development of a frightening virus. A virus that responds to peoples' keystrokes and browsing habits, and changes what people see on their devices. A virus that alters political behavior en masse, for profit. On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 11:41 AM Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote: > If you're frustrated, a bit fearful or even angry, the following discussion > with the ever informative Leo may assist in getting grounded on the issue > of > masks during this covid lock down. > > We can't do more than we can do - higher authorities are in play here - > but we > do what we can for one another, the Aussie way. We live in a great > country of > great people with big hearts and a larrikin way, and there ain't no need > to go > gettin all depressed now, especially when you know you're just one shopping > trip away from bumping into some amazing legend in their own mind - it's > uplifting :D > > If you're the type who music can be a pick up, perhaps a little country > music: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjWY9udugZ0 "Thank God I’m a Country Boy > (Aussie Version)". > > The short version of the convo below is this: > > "If I am infected, and if I wear a mask when close to others, they > might be > a bit less likely to get infected too". > > So take heart y'all, > > > > > > > > On 21/07/2020 10:39 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > > > Be alert. > > > > > > > > > > > > In the face of extended uncertainty and lack of the truth being > told > > > > > > to us, some folks can get a bit stressed out. > > > > > > > > > > > > By reaching out when you get that nudge or "sharing a little > support" > > > > > > i.e. you're own groundedness, simple preparations ("hey, a > little rice > > > > > > and water can go a long way, right?") and reminders, you may > lessen > > > > > > the fright, the shock, and or the "madness" that some folks > might tend > > > > > > towards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep it conservative/real, especially for those who are not > inclined > > > > > > to "think for themselves" much - you know the sort - sometimes a > few > > > > > > simple words like "we'll be right, we're Aussies, and we will > pull > > > > > > through this together, like we always have" can be enough to > lighten > > > > > > the load. May be confirm that they have your phone number in > their > > > > > > mobile - could make all the difference to their sanity, and if > they > > > > > > have a family at home, this might mean a meaningful difference to > > > > > > their family. > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep a disposable mask prominently displayed in your shirt > pocket or > > > > > > around your neck, not only so you can use it if needed at a > moment's > > > > > > notice, but to remind one another that we should look out for > each > > > > > > other, that perhaps we ought take our duty of care > "responsibility to > > > > > > one another" seriously - and a mask let's people know you're > thinking > > > > > > of them, not just yourself! > > > > > > > > > > > > We do not whow how this virus might mutate into something much > worse - > > > > > > this is the big scientific difficulty with viruses, they can > mutate on > > > > > > a cycle of a few weeks, making any vaccine from even 6 months > ago, > > > > > > less than useful (vaccines are often not harmless, even when > they are > > > > > > ineffective). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So let's continue to give our best to each other, look out for > each > > > > > > other, this is just another journey. > > > > > > > > > > > > Stay safe, be prepared, and do what your gut tells you is > prudent, > > > > > > moment by moment. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you pray, then pray; if you meditate or contemplate, do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > Good luck and may God's will prevail, > > > > > > Zen > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:59:01AM +1000, Leo wrote: > > > > > uuummm About the mask Zen > > > > > > > > > > I have the book Plague of Corruption by expert virologist Dr Judy > Mikovits in > > > > > the USA, she makes it clear, that once air born it simply mixes > with oxygen > > > > > and you inhale it at the same time, mask or no mask. I think > forcing people to > > > > > wear masks is more an exercise on population control and getting > used to > > > > > orders/directives from "daddy" > > > > > > > > > > The damage and weakening effect due to inhaling your own carbon > dioxide would > > > > > pose a far greater risk > > > > > And would they really care about our health? When they poison us > with toxic > > > > > vaccinations and GMO food and destroyed diary products etc. > > > > > > > > > > 1) Your oxygen intake is less > > > > > 2) Inhaling toxic air > > > > > 3) Weakening immune system further. > > > > > > > > > > We live in a circus :-) > > > > > > On 22/07/2020 1:00 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > > > Interesting - may be her book is a big part of why they try to shut > her down. > > > > > > > > Obviously "according to the narrative", the mask is only useful if > you are closer to someone than the "official" 1.5 meters. > > > > > > > > I do have one important (hopefully obvious) question: > > > > > > > > does Mikovits say that in the scenario where > > > > - if I am infected with a virus, > > > > - and I wear a mask, > > > > - and if you are "close" to me (say, less than 1.5 meters), > > > > - and we are say talking to each other, > > > > - and then if I cough, > > > > > > > > then does me wearing a mask NOT reduce the likelihood of you > getting that virus that I have? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd really like to know Mikovits' position on this? > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, > > > > Zen > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 09:05:50AM +1000, Leo wrote: > > > Because the mask holes have to be big enough to allow oxygen > intake....then > > > they are big enough to allow the virus through. > > > > > > But fair enough, it could give "some" protection, BUT I am simply > quoting from > > > an expert virologist in that field. > > > But I think the point is more like when you have lots of people at a > normal > > > distance, extremely unlikely there would be any benefit from a mask, > less > > > oxygen and ingesting your own expelled air would actually lower your > own > > > immunity and it does not make a lot of sense as a general rule for > the public > > > as a whole, I try not to have opinions, I am just quoting the expert. > > > > > > The same logic as the so called lock down and isolation, more people > will be > > > harmed by losing jobs, their business and maybe their home if we get > that 2nd > > > wave. > > > But then again, the pandemic is just a means to to install the NWO, > get used > > > to doing what you are told, no matter how stupid it is. > > > > > > The main point is this, say the different viruses are like smarties in > a big > > > jar, lots of colours representing different viruses, well up to now we > just > > > called them smarties when people died (Flu) and it just pushed them > over the > > > edge, usually having had bad health conditions, but now when someone > dies, > > > they say he died because he had the red smartie CV19 > > > > > > In the USA one of the worst hit areas, the yearly mortality rate for > the whole > > > country has not changed, what does that confirm? > > > That is not to say that the next wave released maybe 4 times stronger, > we can > > > only deal with as things change and challenge us once more. > > > > > > Anyway for me, it is more important to keep my immune system strong > and make > > > sure I have antiviral solutions at hand, just in case of that second > more > > > severe wave. > > > We need to combine our efforts and all work > together................and maybe > > > not dispute minor applications, that applies to me as well :-) > > > > On 22/07/2020 9:43 am, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > Yes I've been aware for some weeks that a mask does not really reduce > your > > likelihood, only that it reduces spittle transmission range when people > > cough, which might help others. > > > > I was really hoping Mikovits or someone had spoken to this a little more > > clearly. > > > > As to re-inhaling your own CO2, with most masks at least, this is a > pretty > > small % of a full breath, although it's true that many people breathe > rather > > shallowly - although this is perhaps more of an argument for breathing > > properly rather than to avoid masks, I accept that there may be some % > > reduction in O2/ increase in CO2 when wearing a mask. > > > > I believe that what Mikovits says she says, but I actually have not yet > seen > > any quote from her or from her book on this topic, though if one exists, > I'd > > certainly be interested to read it... > > > > Regarding the lock down in general, I believe we are not yet in a NWO > > installation free for all, although there is certainly some push for this > > from Bill Gates for example. > > > > What I believe is that we are in a period of testing and judgement, > literally > > from the realm(s) above. > > > > This is why I encourage people to get their house in order, rather than > say > > be belligerent and stop paying rent or mortgage if you are able, pay your > > debts where you can and "clean up your back yard". > > > > If everything we have here is from a template in the heavens, then they > have > > their supercomputers and have their records on us which they update > during > > this judgement time. > > > > You're right that we should certainly be cautious of what the MSM > "tells" us, > > but some things do actually have a righteous foundation, and we owe it to > > ourselves to try to determine what has a righteous foundation, and what > is > > simply tyranny knocking on the door. > > > > And when we can see that something might help others, at least in some > > situations, then it is of course the right thing to do to help others, > and so > > we should do that. > > > > Even if it's small, I believe that sometimes wearing a mask may help > others > > by reducing their likelihood of infection. > > > > It might be small, but it's a simple way we can look out for one > another, and > > there's really no reason to not do that. > > > > It's of course a good thing (and probably the primary personal benefit) > to > > keep our own immune system strong. > > > > But perhaps we should not dismiss so quickly those small things that > might > > help others. And frankly, if anything like the Spanish flu appears, > I'll be > > really happy that people are trained to wear masks to reduce _their_ > > spreading to me, if they get infected - I do not see this as a bad thing. > > > > As long as the elites do the "divorce with China" thing, properly, I am > happy > > with learning when a mask might be useful for me or others... > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 10:30:20AM +1000, Leo wrote: > Thanks for feedback Zen, 100 % agreed on how we react now, determines our > future > in other spheres > Have a lovely day, we all do what we can. > I will send you a recipe to assist in knocking these out......... > >