Eric Murray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote quoting Lucky:
[...]
> But of course the cell phone carriers have only the highest
> regard for privacy and wouldn't dream of sharing your phone list
> with any LEO who asks...  or selling it.

Naturally.

> > The other day, I spent hours in a working group where the
> primary concern of
> > the participants was to ensure that the provider can bill the
> subscriber for
> > the airtime and tolls associated with such TSP-initiated calls.
> No, I am not
> > making this stuff up.
>
> So what did they say when you pointed out that there would be a
> privacy issue?

I might as well have given Canter & Siegel a lecture on responsible use of
USENET resources. I don't think my comments even registered. Understand that
there are more important issues to worry about: the current spec only allows
for one TSP. Which is how the provider plans to tie you to their service. Of
course the competition would like to see support for multiple TSP's to allow
for a choice of providers. And then there are those that would love to be
able to push a new TSP cert down your phone so they can automatically switch
you a new provider. Which would open up a whole new dimension of slamming.
"Privacy? We have bigger problems to worry about".

Besides, the participants aren't stupid. They know where the impetus for
such "features" comes from. No standard can get out of ETSI or similar
standards bodies without the blessing of the major European intelligence
services. Everybody inside knows that writing new standards involves
integrating the various collection-enabling requirements. This isn't talked
about; it is simply understood.

The good news is that the 3G phones will be more powerful and will support
higher data rates. So you'll eventually be able to run voice-over-IP. But
you will need to reflash your personal homing and bugging device to disable
some of the more onerous features first.

--Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

  "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
   upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest."
  - Mohandas K. Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 446
  http://www.citizensofamerica.org/missing.ram




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