I note that neither of the supposed authors of the post on American Concentration Camps is known to their respective SMTP servers. Nor does the post provide a URL to the many pictures the authors claim they took of the supposed concentration camps. And, frankly, in today's age, I expect more than vague descriptions of the supposed locations of these camps. GPS coordinates are pretty much a must. Extraordinary claims require at least a shred of evidence. No, wild-eyed assertions do not evidence make. --Lucky Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." - Mohandas K. Gandhi, An Autobiography, pg 446 http://www.citizensofamerica.org/missing.ram > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf > Of Jean-Francois Avon > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 20:03 > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: Fwd: Re: Concentration Camp Locations + > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE================== > >Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:26:29 -0700 > >From: American Patriot Friends Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: American Patriot Friends Network <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: Concentration Camp Locations + > > NOTE: THE U.S. HOUSE WILL VOTE FOR FREE TRADE WITH CHINA TOMORROW! > SEE URL'S BELOW FOR ADD'L INFO: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > U.S. House of Representatives > http://www.house.gov/ > > Concentration Camp Locations in Southern California > By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Fact is, there's been a common thread of corroborating information > http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: GUN CONGROL: [Fwd: Emergency Alert: Wednesday 05/17/00] > http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb1075995 > Date: Tue, 23 May 00 16:45:43 -0800 > X-Loop: openpgp.net > From: Autymn D. C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: "Christopher Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Fact is, there's been a common thread of corroborating > information on this > >subject over the years that reinforces the credibility of this > >post. Neophytes to this list or conspiracy lists in general may have to > >hang out for awhile to see the common threads that weave a tapestry of > >common sense. Those who lack discernment via pattern recognition > >capabilities may never "get it" and only get frustrated with the > occasional > >disinformation on these lists. > > > Subject: Fwd: AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS 1100 |||||||||||| x > 1,000,0 > Sent: 30/5/1999 18.21 > > Subject: AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS > X-Loop: openpgp.net > From: Byron T Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > X-Loop: openpgp.net > From: "Charmaine Ferreira - Apocalypse Project" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Loop: openpgp.net > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS - INTERNMENT CAMPS > > Here is the camps info. 3-7-99 > > Note - If any of you can get to these locations and take some photos, we > would appreciate seeing them and will add them to this story. Suggest you > use caution and take a zoom lens along. Thanks to Don for this > information. > > Concentration Camp Locations in Southern California > By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3-7-99 > > For all you disbeliever's and gun control idiots who think the government > knows best, I've compiled a short list of camps you can visit. These > camps have armed guards, surveillance systems, and many fences > with the barbed > wire pointing IN. If you voted for gun-control, then you probably deserve > a place in one of these things, as you've sold not only you and your own > children down the road, but me and mine as well. Thanks a lot. > > 1. PEARBLOSSOM, CALIFORNIA: Located at the intersection of Ave 116 and > the Pearblossom Highway, this is a full-service facility, > complete with gas > chambers, moat, machine gun towers, and roving armed patrols. Visit at > your own risk. If you do decide to see this one, you will be > descended upon by > some very mean fellows, who will get your ID and license, then monitor > you. > > 2. FILMORE, CALIFORNIA: Located on highway 126, this at first glance > looks like an orange grove and is located on the north side of > the highway. It > sports guard centers, three--count em--three sets of fences, all pointing > in, and some very nasty armed men who tell you to "mind your own > business." This camp is huge. > > 3. SANTA PAULA, CALIFORNIA: This is a holding camp, designed as a > stock-yard type of facility for those rounded up in the early sweeps. > > 4. VALENCIA, CALIFORNIA: This is one of the largest camps ever > constructed and measures some two miles by three miles, using the > reservoir at > the intersection of the 5 and 405 freeways as a cover. New > buildings, armed > guards, new roads, and many hundreds of buildings for housing the damned. > > 5. GLENDALE, CALIFORNIA: Right behind Brand Park, take the 5 interstate > to Western Ave, then head north up the hill till you arrive at the park. > Then take the road -- by foot -- by the doctor's house on the > northwestern > part of the park. Proceed up the hill to you reach the reservoir, > which is in > fact, a holding facility. When we were there last, there were five armed > guards with M16s walking around. > > --- > > Commentary on the Concentration Camps By Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3-7-99 > > Dear friends, > > Recently, I sent out to the various news media an extremely small list of > Concentration Camps recently built by your United States Government. As > ithappens, very few journalists acted upon the information and shared it > with listeners/viewers/readers. Of course, once the information was made > public, I've now become slandered, attacked, and called all sorts of > names and the like. How interesting it is that when we bring truth to our > world, the messenger is killed, even if symbolically. > > Many of us in the media have been aware of these hideous camps since > their inception. It only takes a look at the history of this > century to know > what will happen in them once they are populated. The heart > shudders at such > knowledge but ignoring it won't make it go away. The only answer is to > get the information out there in the world and make our elected > government > answer. > > I've personally visited these camps and have taken pictures. They > are REAL. > They are manned. They have moats, motion sensors, inner berms to hide the > main complexes, guards at the gates, electric gates, processing centers, > and of course, high fences with razor wire and barbed pointing inward - > not outward - but inward to KEEP PEOPLE IN. > > The larger facilities are called golf courses or water treatment plants. > When was the last time you saw a golf course (Portland, Oregon) > with armed > guards carrying M16s? Why do the larger facilities have smokestacks? Ever > see a crematorium? The smaller facilities are usually holding facilities, > obviously designed for the short-term roundups prior to the hapless souls > being shipped off to their final destination somewhere else. > > You have to know that it was never my intention to uncover this > information > to frighten anyone nor to get publicity, as so many claim. As my readers > are well aware, I stumbled upon this stuff in research for a new book. I > have a family and want to see them grow up and they want to have a father > that is alive, not dead. Reporting this type of information has made me > very unpopular with the government and I've been warned many times by the > FBI to 'mind my own business.' Unlike many of my contemporaries, I've > chosen to research these camp claims for myself. > > I HAD to see them with my own eyes. They do exist. But the real question > that needs to be asked - and asked fast - is why. > > Why are they being built? Who are they for? Why does the government deny > their existence? A friend of mine and I discovered 32 camps in just one > county in Colorado alone. You can drive right up to them. However, the > Department of Corrections in Colorado, the Marshall's Office, the County > Sheriffs office, and the Federal agencies in Colorado all claim there is > nothing at these sites except the lonesome prairie. That's just a flat > out lie. > > Because of the staggering amount of mail I've received on this, > my friends > in the media - what few there are who have the guts to print the truth - > have allowed me to answer a myriad amount of questions regarding > the camps. > No one - not a single person - has reported this information on > the evening > news nor in their newspapers. Most of these questions are from > the Internet > by people who have read the research material and it is their questions > that are being answered. > > Q: Why such a short list? > > A: This was a good question and I've given the reason much thought. We've > uncovered over 700 hundred camps so far. We have pictures to prove their > existence. The answer is: We wanted to get as much of a complete listing > as we possibly could before going public. The reason for that is obvious: > you can't research very much when you are in jail on trumped-up charges > or dead, can you? The other part of the answer is that we are still > observing the construction going on there. For the most part we are very > much watched when we visit them; we are stopped by armed men who ask to > see ID. This on public roads. Making a circus of these sites will only > get innocent people killed. Know this; if you visit these camps you will > end up under government surveillance, and these folks are not very kind. > Also, most, if not all the construction on these facilities happens at > night. Why? > > Q: Where are these camps located? > > A: They seem to be popping up everywhere. For example, in January > of 1999, > there were no camps in Fillmore California, now there are two > (March 1999.) > They seem to ring around population centers for the most part, with many > short-term 'holding facilities' buried in the hills and dales around the > inner cities. There are over 53 camps in Southern California. > > Q: How do you determine if they are a concentration camp? > > A: This one is easy. Have you ever seen a prison up close? They do have > certain features that are unmistakable from other types of things like > schools or churches. Here are the determining factors. It has to have: > > 1. Barbed wire or razor wire fences that point inward. Look at most > security fences. The top portion points out to keep trespassers > out, right? > Prisons, labor camps and the like all have their fence tops > pointing in so > that the inmates are greatly hampered in climbing them. > > 2. Some type of guard facility that is defendable and wired with > microwave > transmitters. > > 3. Armed guards parading around in golf-pro shirts or Department of Water > clothing. I wasn't aware that our utilities were arming their employees > with MP5s and M16s. Even the smallest facility we found had five, count > em, five armed guards in tactical gear. > > 4. Tactical berms to hide the main complexes from the road. These also > have moats, not yet filled with water, that surround the inner complex. > The camp in Pearblossom is an excellent example of a full-service camp. > The people go in, but they don't come out. > > Q: What was all that nonsense anyway about gun control? > > A: My research into concentration camps revealed that prior to each > country's use of such things, they first disarmed their people with > gun-control propaganda. Personally, I'm all for gun control, as long > as it applies to true gun control - and that means disarming - > not militarizing - the police, the criminals, and the dictators the > world over. Have you ever seen someone gut shot? It's horrible. > However, when you find them rounding up you and your loved ones > (separating the parents from the children) you'll soon realize the > only factor preventing a repeat performance of The Holocaust is > firearms. The founding fathers of America knew what they were > talking about and had some pretty good insight when they created the > constitution. It is a well-known fact that the CIA created HCI (Handgun > Control Inc) and that it is a well- funded creature of the CIA. Why does > the CIA want America's citizens disarmed? That's the real question. You > can't have a dictatorship or Martial Law if the voters are armed, can you? > > Q: Mr. Bradley, I think you are full of it. > > A: That may be so, but if I am wrong, why is the government going to such > lengths to hide them in orange groves and other 'first-glance' disguises? > Why are they tapping my phones, following me around, and then following > the people I talk to? Why are those men and women in the media who are > publicizing my research being called by people who are trying to > discredit me as some kind of nut case? > > Q: Are you scared? > > A: Sure. Everyday of my life. But not for my own existence. Quite > frankly, > after spending two years exposing Remote Viewing for the mind-control > sham that it is, I haven't been in good graces with the alphabet-soup > agencies. > > I fear that this knowledge may be too little, too late. Quite frankly, if > we don't get some public awareness on this issue and soon, we might all > be having some firsthand experience with camps. When they come for you in > Martial Law, they round up journalists who are independent, lawyers, > history professors, constitutionalists, minorities, and anyone who won't > surrender their firearms. As well, they also have been compiling, since > 1994, lists of people buying food, weapons, clothing, etc., Again, the > right question is, why the lists? Why the camps? Why so many? Why moats > and electric fences? Why turnstiles that are color-coded for processing? > Why are there angry white (I don't know why, but so far the guards we > have run into have all been white males in their late twenties to early > thirties) guards carrying automatic weapons and telephoto cameras? > WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT BUILDING THESE CAMPS AND DENYING THEIR EXISTENCE? > > Q: When will you supply us with the complete list of camps? > > Q: Well, I'm not sure if it will ever be complete. We've been to places > where there were only two camps (El Canon City, Colorado, February 1998, > for example) and went back five months later and there were seven camps. > The camps in Colorado, by the way, are huge in every sense of the word. > These, it seems apparent, are final destination or full-service camps. > Also, I am only one man. It takes a lot of time and money (both ever on > short supply) to research these things and I usually do it when traveling > on other business. Plus, having a machine gun shoved in your face tends > to ruin your day. The camps around Utah and Arizona are the spookiest > ones we've photographed. These are very clearly camps for the undead. > All the full-service camps have rail spurs and landing strips adjacent > to them. > > Q: What are the purposes of these camps? > > A: Read history, what of it in print they haven't managed to dispose of > by now. Camps hold people. They aren't prisons in the normal sense of the > word. A prison has a hospital, a gym, food facilities, recreation yards, > and cells for the inmates. Camps are like stockyards for humans. Very > little shelter and a great deal of death. > > Q: What do you think the government's reaction will be to this report of > yours? > > A: What it has always been: plausible deniability, a phrase and action > created by the covert agencies of this country. First, deny the > existence. > Then, if that fails, explain it away with a limited hangout (short for > another lie, but this time with a small miter of truth.) > > Q: When were these camps built? > > A: By all indications, and since we've started looking at these things in > early 1998, it appears most of the larger facilities were started around > 1995 and are still being modified. The smaller holding type > facilities are > being rapidly built RIGHT NOW. > > Q: How can I find one in my area? > > A: It's rather easy, but you have to have two things: one, a mind that > isn't sleeping or daydreaming. Two, a watchful eye. That's how we did it. > We just started paying attention to our surroundings. The > government counts > on most folks not even really knowing what is around in their own > neighborhoods. > > Also, start looking at the fringes of your city, as this seems to > be where > they like to place them. Look first for the fences pointing in that's the > most noticeable feature about the camps that you usually can see from the > road. Near Trinidad, Colorado, many of the outlying residents watched the > construction happen and were warned off by armed men without badges when > they tried to approach the builders. Most, if not all building, is done > at night. > > Q: Why were they built? > > A: That's the question, isn't it? > > Q: Isn't there some other explanation for them, like a new kind of cheap > prison? > > A: Really? Would you want to be in a prison with no shelter, > hospital, nor > any other kind of formal living arrangements and exposed to the elements? > > Listen, I wish these things didn't exist. I get sick every time I find > another one. I didn't create them, you know. The messenger isn't to blame > for the message. > > Q: When do you think they will start populating these camps? > > A: I don't know. But by all indications, they are being built up at a > rather startling rate. That indicates a time-line of sorts. A deadline > has been set and they are trying to get in place and readiness for > something. > ========================================================================= > > APFN FAST SEARCH: AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMPS > 297 documents found - 0.0896 seconds search time > http://www.ussc.alltheweb.com/cgi-bin/search? > type=phrase&query=AMERICAN+CONCENTRATION+CAMPS&exec=FAST+Search > > HERE ARE SOME OF THE RESULTS: > > A m e r i c a n Concentration Camps Known U.S. Relocation Centers > as of December 9, 1999 > http://www.fi9.com/guncontrol/k_camps_list.html > > If one forgets the past, he will not be prepared for the future. > > CIVILIAN INTERNMENT CAMPS UP FOR REVIEW > http://www.thewinds.org/archive/government/camp9-97.html > > American Concentration Camps > http://bahaifaith.net/us_secret_prisons.htm > > Tales of American "Concentration Camps" Perpetuate Slander By: > Richard Estrada, Associate Editor Dallas Morning News - Sept. 26, 1996 > http://www.pnorthwestbooks.com/docs/estrada.html > > CHEMTRAILS - Did An Airline Mechanic Stumble > Upon The Truth? 5-17-00 > http://www.sightings.com/general/stumble.htm > > American Patriot Friends Network > Contrails (Chemtrails) > http://www.apfn.org/apfn/contrails.htm > > PLEASE SHARE WITH YOUR FAMILEY AND FRIENDS! > http://www.apfn.org > > "In the beginning of a change, The Patriot is a scarce man, > brave, hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, however, > the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." > -- Mark Twain > > Big Brother - Conspiracies and Extremism > http://conspiracies.about.com/culture/conspiracies/msubbro.htm > > Clinton CFR Speech - Sept. 14, 1998 > http://www.apfn.org/apfn/clintoncfr.htm > > FREE TRADE W/China - Bridging the Gap on PNTR > http://globalbusiness.about.com/finance/globalbusiness/library/wee > kly/aa051500 > a.htm > > Toward a More Moral Foreign Policy - Patrick J. Buchanan > http://205.252.89.138/new/speeches/moral_foreign_policy.htm > > "FREE TRADE," CHINA, AND THE RULE OF THE ACRONYMS > http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111799.html > > May 22, 2000 > > Learn From History: Don't Pass PNTR for China > > By Rep. Duncan Hunter > > It is often said that those who don't learn from history are > destined to repeat it. Congress should refuse to honor the > Clinton administration's pledge of permanent normalized trade > relations for China or risk repeating the deadly mistakes that > helped lead to World War II. > > Lessons From World War II > > Imperial Japan declared war on China in 1937. Regargless of this > aggressive behavior, the United States was the single largest > exporter of oil, iron ore (including scrap metal) and bauxite to > Japan, despite reports that those materials were being used to > build and modernize Japan's military. > > In July 1941, finally recognizing the potential threat of Japan as > an aggressor, the United States froze Japan's assets and > embargoed oil shipments. Unfortunately, the damage was done. > Throughout the Pacific theater, our soldiers lost their lives at > the hand of a military built with American steel and aided by > American natural resources. > > Meanwhile, Europe was following a policy of appeasement in > their relations with Germany. They believed that liberalized trade > would stimulate the German economy; Adolf Hitler would feel > secure; Germany would shift from armaments manufacturing to > consumer goods for export; and ultimately, Nazi Germany would > become a "normal" country. > > The United States followed Europe's example and Americans > became the largest foreign holders of German government bonds > during the 1930s. U.S. capital helped build the Nazi war machine > that would take the lives of so many American soldiers. > > Lessons From the Cold War > > President Ronald Reagan's model for winning the Cold War > without military action was derived from lessons learned during > World War II. Reagan imposed unilateral sanctions and opposed > the West supplying dual-use equipment to the Soviet Union. > > Reagan's more realistic trade policy helped bring an end to the > Soviet threat. It is this model that we should follow when > building a trading relationship with an aggressive foreign power, > not the failed policies that lead to World War II. > > Today's Threat > > China has begun an aggressive modernization plan for its > military, funded in part by a $592 billion trade surplus earned in > the 1990s alone. China's 2000 defense budget is a 13 percent > increase over 1999 expenditures, a trend of growing defense > funding that has spanned nearly a decade. > > Meanwhile, U.S. defense spending has decreased dramatically. > In addition, People's Liberation Army companies not only earn > hard currency for military modernization programs through their > interaction with U.S. companies, they also play a crucial role in > espionage and proliferation activities on behalf of the Communist > Chinese government. > > China, flush with U.S. dollars from a combination of Western > direct investment and huge trade surpluses, has partnered with > the cash-strapped Russians to purchase modern air superiority > fighters and long-range attack aircraft. The Chinese have also > acquired two Sovremenny-class destroyers armed with SS-N-22 > "Sunburn" anti-ship missiles - a weapon designed specifically to > attack U.S. aircraft carrier groups. > > In contrast, China is also developing new weapons of mass > destruction, including new land-mobile intercontinental ballistic > missiles armed with multiple-independently targetable warheads, > technology it acquired through illegal means from the United > States. China is also selling a wide variety of ballistic > missile-related goods and technology to rogue countries, > including Iran, Pakistan and Libya. > > All agree that trade with China is making it strong. The U.S. > business community, often held hostage by the Communist > Chinese government to move technology and manufacturing > facilities to China in order to gain market access, is using its > significant influence to push through this legislation. Its mistake > is believing that a strong China is a friendly China. > > Business lobbyists often claim that if the United States fails to > provide China with PNTR, U.S. businesses will loose access to > the Chinese market. However, the business community is more > attracted to China as a low-cost manufacturing base with > cheap labor and a lax regulatory regime than a market for U.S. > exports. > > While China sends 39 percent of all its global exports to the > United States; we send only 1.9 percent of our global exports > to China. The idea that China will forfeit our consumer-rich U.S. > market in retaliation to a "no" vote on PNTR is extremely > unlikely. > > Proponents of PNTR argue that a strategy of appeasement will > bring China into the global economy where it will act more > responsibly, switch production efforts away from military > modernization and focus on consumer goods. This is precisely > the theory employed by most of pre-World War II Europe in its > relations with Nazi Germany. > > If we continue funding the Chinese military buildup through > trade and direct investment it will be to our detriment, and we > will pay with the lives of our men and women in uniform across > the globe. > > Despite claims that China is ready to take its place in the world > economy, the facts cannot be denied. Over the last year, China > has issued several aggressive statements, including one by the > Chinese Defense minister that war with the United States is > "inevitable." > > These blatant threats, in combination with China's aggressive > arming of trigger-happy third world countries, demonstrate that > Communist China is not our "strategic partner." > > Congress must not abandon our primary constitutional function: > to provide for our national defense. Some people deride those > who oppose PNTR as "protectionists." We should cheerfully > accept that label. After all, the young men and women of the > U.S. armed forces are certainly worth protecting, and it is they > who will bear the brunt of a heavily armed China. > > Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) is chairman of the Armed > Services subcommittee on military procurement. > ================================================================== > =========== > > "Fair Trade not Free Trade" > http://mai.flora.org/ > > WORLD TRADE - ON INTERNET > http://www.wwtp.com/ > > "If a President of the United States ever lied to the > American people he should resign." > - Bill Clinton, in 1974 while running for the U.S. House > > "Everyone will be punished" > http://www.salon1999.com/news/1998/09/10newsc.html > > President Clinton, > The Council on Foreign Relations are in violation > of Title-50 War and National Defense subsection 783. > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2807/Title50.html > > +++CITIZENS RULE BOOK+++ > LINCOLN said "Study the Constitution!" > "Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, > and enforced in courts of justice." > RIGHTS COME FROM GOD, NOT THE STATE! > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/7006/rulebook.html > > America Media Columnists (500) Listed By Names > http://www.apfn.org/ > > Archive of past articles > http://David.Bresnahan.com > > News Tips > http://InvestigativeJournal.com/tips.htm > > FREE news alerts by e-mail > http://InvestigativeJournal.com/alert.htm > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE=================== > > > > >
