At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote:
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>Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave.
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>Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be
>trespassing.
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I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they
approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally
you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people
away. Not sure about how long you can linger at a closed door.
Does lingering become harassment?
Aside, on property rights: I learned that in LA county the
county Vector Control (ie, mosquito) people can come onto your property
to sample standing water, if they suspect it; and even add fish to your
standing water (eg birdbath) pools.
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>I have about a 200-foot driveway from my house to the semi-public road
>serving our hill. They can't wait _on_ my property, without trespassing.
If you had a gate with sign, probably not. But an open driveway is
ok.
When I was ~10 my dad, who recognized a server, sent me out to tell the
guy to leave. (We had a similarly long driveway.) He left. It was cool.
>This means I can get in my car and get out without being served. (There
>is no requirement that a car window be rolled down to receive papers.)
Cypherpunks don't talk to strangers. Except to tell them to go away.
Maybe using a voice-changer to say that.
>(If I see someone skulking around on my property, I would be morally
>justified in shooting them, of course. Demanding that they leave, from a
>window, and threatening to shoot is probably not actionable even in
>today's weird legal climate. Actually shooting them, while morally
>justified, is proably not wise.)
You could peer from a window with a rifle pointing at the sky, but
I'd be careful about pointing it towards even uninvited visitors.
This thread is an advertisement for big noisy dogs, too.
