This was a spoof. A few other suspects in my inbox under names here.

~Aimee

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Aimee Farr
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 10:33 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Homeland Deception (was RE: signal to noise proposal)
>
>
> Faustine
> If  I was not a lady I would say you are full of shit
>
>
>
> On 26 Mar 2002 at 23:07, Faustine wrote:
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> Faustine:
> > Aimee wrote:
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> > >Well, I doan' kno' nuttin' 'bout no agents. That fact has been
> > >established.
> > Careful parsing is the spice of life... :P
> >>So sayeth the academic-researcher-grad student pretext... :P
>
>  IT S A CONSPIRACY!!!!   -some poor idiot, right now
>
>
> > >But, you know, after pondering on that a bit...What if "the lie" was
> > >supposedly "really secret stuff?"
> > >You know, "ME LUCKY CHARMS!"
> > >I know the little boys and girls are after me lucky charms.
> > >If "3 or more agents" happen to run in the door with me lucky charms,
> > Sounds about right.
> >>Yep, they would be lucky and charming.
>
> Ha! Look, even if you like the idea of PSYOPS in Afghanistan (for
> instance),
> you have to admit what s surfaced in the media has been
> embarrassingly crude
> and ham-handed. I suppose the best you could hope for is that it
> s really all
> part of a  play the idiot and look ineffectual  strategy while diverting
> attention from the real business at hand. Risky, at any rate--
> since as any
> good poker player knows, the merest twitch of the eyelid risks being
> interpreted as weakness, causing your opponent to raise the
> stakes. Not good.
> Failing any evidence to the contrary, it s likely just wishful
> thinking though.
> I m really not in the  all feds are incompetent donutchompers
> camp, but more
> and more it s looking suspiciously like the donutchompers have
> the upper hand.
> And whatever deceptive advantages might possibly come from the *public
> perception* of rampant incompetence and donutchompery, the drawbacks are
> deadly. Strength is good. I think Ashcroft and co. are making a
> HUGE mistake
> playing up the Christian goody goody schtick  it plays straight
> into the Arab
> fundamentalist interpretation of the US; and the realists won t
> believe it (and
> wouldn t give a crap anyway. And never did.) Even more
> worriesome, though, is
> that some of them actually seem to believe it. America ought to
> deserve better
> than to be run by a bunch of simps. Emphasis on ought.
>
> By the way, did you catch the video of Ashcroft singing some cheezy
> maudlin  patriotic  gospel song at a theological seminary? At a fake press
> conference podium, yet. Surreal. Absolutely nauseating, made my
> blood boil.
> Didn t know whether to laugh or throw up...
>
> John Ashcroft SINGS!  Let the Eagle Soar
>
> http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_credits/0,3875,2424640,00.html
>
> AAAaaaaAAAaaaAAAGH!
> Ahem. Where were we.
>
> As someone once said, I d rather side with someone who burns the
> flag and wraps
> themselves in the Constitution than someone who burns the Constitution and
> wraps themselves in the flag.
>
>
> > What shows that the snowers know they've slowly been snowed? Bet
> > it keeps a lot of people awake at night, that one. Tricky, but
> fascinating. If
> > anyone knows of any good links to counter-deception detection,
> drop me a line.
> > Not sure how "on topic" it is, but something everyone here
> would do well to
> > read about. Either that, or just default to not trusting
> anyone, ever. Works
> >for me.
>
> >>Empathy skills in personal matters.
>
> You mean like gaydar for bullshitters?
>
>
> >>On a grand scale:
>
> >>1. counterdeception teams - multidisciplinary, "non-cultured,"
> outsiders --
> >>creatives, narratives, hoaxers, jokesters, emplotters, etc.
>
> Yeah but where? In the TLAs themselves? Consultants?  Here s my
> card, I m with
> Flimflam Inc, an In-Q-Tel startup...  Where s the oversight?
> Getting a room
> full of natural-born bullshitters together sounds dangerous no
> matter who s
> footing the bill. And put a con in a room full of squares  call
> it personal
> bias if you want to, but I know where I d put my money as to who
> d come out
> ahead. Hm, unless you consider the case of Hanssen, the genuinely
> square con.
> Just goes to show you the limits of pigeonholing and profiling.
>
>
> >>2. devil's advocacy in the event stream
>
> Yep. Complacently blocking out opinions you disagree with is
> always a bad idea.
>
> >>3. competitive analysis
> >>4. MUST HAVE: highest-level precision black channels --
> requiring nothing
> >>short of a resurrection. Close surveillance. Sneaky submarines
> are not good
> >>enough.
>
> Catch 22 re. the Deutch prohibition on working with scummy types.
> I think it
> points to the need to re-evaluate exactly what it is we re trying to
> accomplish.
>
>
> >>5. Cultural change -- a bit of British eccentricity; decision-maker
> >>sensitization
>
> Reminds me of the classic story about the time Herman Kahn was
> asked about Dr.
> Strangelove: "Dr. Strangelove would not have lasted three weeks at the
> Pentagon... he was too creative."
>
>
> >>6. Monitoring of foreign open source media and organizational theme
> >>variations (quantitative content and textual analysis;
> inferential scanning)
>
> Absolutely; open source analysis is for everyone.
>
>
> >>7. Monitoring of internal organizational dissenters,
> noncomformists and the
> >>intuitives (instead of quashing them, solicit them)
>
> Hey, I m game. Be sure to file all this under the  expectation of
> being conned
> category though. the niceties of  good faith  or  bad faith  I do
> believe I ll leave to the discretion of rest of the study... LOL
>
>
> >>Due to the changing nature of the world, the U.S. could easily
> find itself
> >>hoodwinked, isolated, paralyzed and worse. It used to be
> "Uproar in the East,
> >> strike in the West."
> >>Today, it's "Fool the Sky." (transparent or false-flag cover plan)
>
> Yep.
>
> (interesting points snipped)
>
>
> >>As part of Homeland Defense, we need Homeland Deception.
> "OPERATION TRICK
> >>TERRORISTS?" Instead of deception coming from the top, bring it
> up from the
> >>bottom in a security context. (Some people are working on it,
> but we could be
> >>doing more.) I just know there is guy taking ticket stubs somewhere on a
> >>nontraditional delivery vehicle. I bet he has an idea, or once
> exposed to
> >>certain concepts -- could come up with one -- because he knows
> his operative
> >>context better than anybody else.
>
> Right, but there s a utility tradeoff; get too complex and clever
> for your own
> good and you end up shooting yourself in the foot--worse off than when you
> started. And unless you find ways to bring fresh blood into they
> system without
> getting a bad case of blood poisoning (to overextend a metaphor)
> unfortunately
> I have to admit it looks pretty dim. The one thing I know is that a mad
> theocratic dash toward giving up freedom and individuality for
> security and
> conformity will only hasten the decay, not cleanse it. Something
> to keep in
> mind.
>
> ~Faustine.
>
>
> ***
>
> He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
> oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that
> will reach to himself.
>
> - --Thomas Paine
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