On Sat, Dec 14, 2002 at 03:18:09PM -0800, Mike Rosing wrote: > On Sat, 14 Dec 2002, Tim May wrote: > > Lincoln's notion that the Constitution is suspendable during a war, or > > other emergency conditions, was disgraceful. Nothing in the > > Constitution says that it is suspended when a President declares it to > > be suspended. > Power is what power does. He got away with it, that's all that counts.
Then the consitution is meaningless babble. > > "Don't stand out, don't protest policy, don't write letters, don't meet > > with hackers, and Washington won't interfere with your so-called > > constitutional rights." > > This is where we are. > Almost, but not quite. There's definitly a protest movement already - > http://www.notinourname.net is a national one there are 2 in my city > http://www.mindspring.com/~wnpj and www.madpeace.org. There's plenty > of people using words to change things. The "Not in Our Name" people are only running off at the mouth because it's a Republican in the white house. The didn't speak up when the Sodomizer in Chief bombed a pharmacetuical plant, nor a dozen or so other armed interventions during that period. No, those people aren't against "the" government taking away our rights by force, they're just against *THIS* government taking away our rights by force. > > The thermonuclear cleansing of Washington, D.C. cannot come soon > > enough. Allah willing, by next Ramadan. > > While I can't say I disagree, I think a more subtle approach may be more > permenent. There is no approach that can be permanent, other than sterilizing the entire planet. Freedom, like security, is a process, a process you cannot stop or you lose it, and when you lose it, it's a lot harder to get back. -- "They can attempt to outlaw weapons but they can't outlaw | Quit smoking: the Platonic Ideal of a weapon and modern technology makes | 240d, 13h ago it absolutely trivial to convert a Platonic Ideal of a | petro@ weapon into an actual weapon whenever one desires." | bounty.org