I'm not so sure Mr Donald is ignorant OR blind. He seems to be something I've never seen in real life before: Completely aligned with US foreign policy, past/present/future.
I'm starting to think that Mr Donald's contributions to Cypherpunks may be part of his job description.
-TD
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: I am anti war. You lot support Saddam Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 01:40:51 -0500
At 08:14 PM 12/23/2003 -0800, CIA-apologist "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
-- James A. Donald > > > > You have just told us that poor little Saddam is a > > > > victim.
Jamie Lawrence: > > > Incorrect. I said no such thing, and you're being a twit > > > by attempting to credit me with such statements.
James A. Donald > > You were telling us that the USG's terrible mistreatment of > > Saddam is a great shame on the US, which whatever it sounds > > like to you, sounds to me very like "poor little victimized > > Saddam"
Jamie Lawrence > I absolutely said no such thing. You are a liar.
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 11:18:51 -0500, message ID [EMAIL PROTECTED] You said: : : "I do care that the US fails to adhere to : : international law." implying that US treatment of Saddam violated international law.
You also said; : : "knocking over a crippled tyrant." implying oh dear, that terrible big bully USA is kicking a poor little cripple in his poor little wheelchair, think of the poor little Saddam falling out of his wheelchair.
These images are not appropriate to someone who claims to believe what you just claimed to believe, and you were not saying what you claimed you were saying.
As the thread title says, I am anti war, you support Saddam.
> Getting back to what we were talking about, here's a bit that > you didn't want to respond to: > > As it stands, you seem only capable of attempting to impute > motives to others that you imagine they might hold, based on > wildy improbable chains of cause and effect in philosophical > arguments and obscure cause and effect based on international > relations in the '60s, bundled together with some sort of New > American Century twine about how if we don't kill all the > "ragheads" (your words, not mine), we'll be enslaved or > worse.
Liar:
I did not suggest killing all the ragheads, and in other forums I have regularly argued against claims about Islam or arabs that would rationalize and justify such an action.
"Similarly anyone who opposes the war in Iraq should start by visualizing himself as the heir of King John Sobieski, not the heir of Saladin. Anyone opposing the war in Iraq needs oppose it from the point of view that Americans and their way of life should win, deserve to win, and the raghead fanatics should lose, and their way of life perish." -James A. Donald, post on this thread, 12/20/2003
"...raghead fanatics should lose, and their way of life perish."
Down the memory hole we go folks. James is almost as much in denial about his lying as GWB. Confront him as you will, let the facts not be obstacles. Genocidal monsters unleashed, with the blessing of James, as we will not consider the consequences, because "we can do no wrong". Oh yeah.
There is ample evidence that the 'anti war' crowd is largely pro Saddam, evidence in this mailing list, considerably stronger evidence in the newsgroups, evidence in the streets, and in the editorials of the BBC and the telegraph, and evidence in your own utterances. Let us discuss that.
Funny, then, and quite logically inconsistent, that this thread is titled "I am antiwar...". I have not seen anything evidencing "antiwar: mentality from you, as you just justify it as all well, fine and dandy. Oh yeah, if WE kill 10,00o Iraqis, that's worth just 1 measly disheveled Saddam. You've got some funny math goin', boy. That's not even counting the Billions$$ of US $DEBT we cannot afford now.
Dean at least has a legitimate excuse to be unhappy about the capture of Saddam, since it queers his chances in the election, but there are an awful lot of other people distressed about the capture and coming execution of Saddam. What is your excuse?
Who gives a flying F*CK about Dean, about Commies, about Capitalists, et al. Despite repeated and voluminous, historically verifiable and irrefutable evidence to the contrary, you refuse to even acknowledge there is ANY base grievance against US foreign policy, which has led to the current state of affairs (so-called "war on terror", blah blah blah). In your rather logically and cerebrally challenged world view, everything else is nothing but a "sock-puppet KGB conspiracy" against the US/CIA (which is giving the KGB considerably more credit I'm sure, then they deserve, if they were half as inept and incompetent as the CIA during the so-called "cold war period construct").
You see, all I care about is: I am not going to pay the bill for this inane shit (insane policy), and I would not give my life for it. I would not ALLOW any youth under my discretion to be seduced by these lies to lay down their life for this SHIT. This is not freedom ,or liberty, or liberation. You, James A Donald, are an armchair pussy Neo-con, who advocates others putting their lives and resources on the line for this utter CRAP and HYPOCRISY, and yet would not do so yourself (you are probably physically UNFIT for such military duty yourself). Intellectual, moral, and physical WIMPS as yourself are unfit to ask, much less demand others suffer the sacrifice to satisfy your self delusions and self-aggrandizement. People just like YOU DESERVE to die in RETALIATORY strikes to such MAD foreign policy. My only regret is that such attacks will not specifically target hard headed morons like you.
And I for sure, would not weap a tear, because scum like you DESERVE such an end, in fact, DEMAND it it. That's not just an ad hominem, mind you. You don't respond to reason, you LIE and OBFUSCATE. You deserve your just fruits. Unfortunately, the actions and policies you advocate will inevitably and inexorably lead to the deaths of many innocents who do not share your limited views. But it will also end the tyranny of the ignorant, and the point is, if that is the case, then so be it. Systems seek equilibrium.
Justice will be served, wisdom will prevail. That "it all" will have a higher cost than need be, is due to the ignorant likes of you. And don't think anyone will cry when the likes of you are gone, any more than Saddam, any more than the scum who hung at Nuremburg. Because you are really no different, exercising your tyranny behind the masses, than anything he ever did. What you advocate, is murder, coercion, torture (in the name of the almighty state). And people like you, deserve just the same as Saddam, because, at /ROOT, YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT. Screaming for "cruise missile strikes" from a 1,000 miles away, even whilst other unfortunate suckers are designated to push buttons you wouldn't even have the balls to push yourself. What a man! Oh yeah! What a MAN!
-Max
And I don't usually get quite this MAD, but such ignorance, such blindness, is the reason we are in this mess. I'd hang you myself, if but given the rope and the chance. If it could save ANOTHER 3,000 innocent lives, it'd be well worth it!
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