Czernowitzers... What a particularly inspiring thread, especially with participation from rarely read friends!
ANNE-METTE started the discussion with the remarkable epitaph for her uncle Karl Ernst, born in Czernowitz in 1912. DEVORAH immediately succeeded in identifying Arthur Pfungst as the author of these lines. OSSI gives us a first interpretation approach and he is on-topic, since he made the poetry book of his parents [http://czernowitzbook.blogspot.com/2017/06/stimmen-der-nacht.html] available to all of us. ANNEMARIE recalls her mother, who - like Karl Ernst - was born in Czernowitz in 1912. JIM picked up the thread of conversation and discovered the Dr. Arthur Pfungst Foundation, based in Frankfurt am Main. BERTI supplies the title of the poem and offers us an extended interpretation of Arthur Pfungst's lines. ELLEN recalls her grandmother, who originated in Chudei, 25 miles from Czernowitz. What more can I contribute? Perhaps only, • that my father Julius Hauster was also born in Czernowitz in 1912, • Arthur Pfungst's sister Marie Eleonore was a well-known feminist who was deported to Theresienstadt in 1942, where she died six months later, • the Czernowitzer Tagblatt published in its 27/28.10.1903 issues a readable and timeless essay by Dr. Arthur Pfungst under the headline "The Ethical Deficit in Human Society". No doubt about, Czernowitz-L Discussion Group at its best! Warmest wishes to all of you! Edgar Hauster ________________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ellen Trencher <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 6, 2021 20:22 To: Jim Wald Cc: Anne-Mette Prent; Annemarie Munzberg; [email protected]; Devorah Berman Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] A Poem My grandmother was born in Chudey, not far Ellen On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 2:19 PM Jim Wald <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Yes, very interesting. I saw that the author was Arthur Pfungst. I am generally well acquainted with German literature but not this person. He seems to have been a fairly minor figure, like many others, popular at the time but not read anymore. I found no reference to him in my various anthologies and reference works. He was a manufacturer, Buddhist, and freethinker who played a role in the founding of several organizations dedicated to ethical culture, secular education, and the like. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Pfungst He also gave his name to an educational foundation: https://pfungst-stiftung.de/die-stiftung/ Jim On 06/03/2021 13:11, Annemarie Munzberg wrote: > May I correct your translation? > It is not to love but to live when you dwell with yourself > > My mother was also born in Czernowitz in 1912 She died in Paris > > Anne - Marie from Washington DC > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 6, 2021, at 11:35, Devorah Berman >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Dear Anne-Mette, >> >> I am also more of a reader than poster on this list serve, and I too >> so enjoy the pieces of history and camaraderie I have learned from >> this wonderful group. >> >> From my bad google translation, I was able to come up with: >> >> Oh it’s so easy to float on the stream that roars around us. So hard >> to love when you dwell with yourself. >> >> When I searched for your poem in quotation marks, it came up in this >> book: >> >> https://books.google.com/books?id=B5SByibiQ14C&pg=RA2-PA1&lpg=RA2-PA1&dq=Doch+es+ist+so+schwer+zu+leben,+%22wenn+man+mit+sich+selber+haust%22&source=bl&ots=GOu-e93dPU&sig=ACfU3U1MAJaa4zlhorFfoL471CTnGGasDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikrP7-hpzvAhVmGFkFHZvOCmgQ6AEwAHoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=Doch%20es%20ist%20so%20schwer%20zu%20leben%2C%20%22wenn%20man%20mit%20sich%20selber%20haust%22&f=false >> <https://books.google.com/books?id=B5SByibiQ14C&pg=RA2-PA1&lpg=RA2-PA1&dq=Doch+es+ist+so+schwer+zu+leben,+%22wenn+man+mit+sich+selber+haust%22&source=bl&ots=GOu-e93dPU&sig=ACfU3U1MAJaa4zlhorFfoL471CTnGGasDQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwikrP7-hpzvAhVmGFkFHZvOCmgQ6AEwAHoECAMQAg#v=onepage&q=Doch%20es%20ist%20so%20schwer%20zu%20leben%2C%20%22wenn%20man%20mit%20sich%20selber%20haust%22&f=false> >> >> I’m not sure if that is the source, but maybe a direction to explore. >> It’s a beautiful poem. I’m so sorry to hear of another life cut >> short. I hope this helps! Best wishes to you and hope for more >> occasions for our paths to cross. >> >> Warmly, >> Devorah >> >> On Saturday, March 6, 2021, Anne-Mette Prent >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> >> Dear Czernowitzers, I am among the "the silent readers" and have >> been so for many years. I have enjoyed all the humor, thoughts >> and knowledge which have been shared here on these pages. Now I >> wonder if you could help me solving a mystery; My uncle Karl >> Ernst, born in Czernowitz in 1912, died in 1937, buried at >> Weissensee; Berlin, has this poem written on his gravestone: Ach >> es ist so leicht zu schweben, auf dem strom der uns umbraust. >> Doch es ist so schwer zu leben, wenn man mit sich selber haust. >> >> Karl committed sucide while being tortured by the police in >> Berlin. He was political active. Does anyone of you recognize >> this text? I am not a German speaker my language is Norwegians >> ,so I have not a clue to whom might be the author. Can you help >> me? I wonder if it is linked to his tragic death or his political >> views as a communist? I am anxious to hea from you. >> >> Regards >> >> Anne-Mette Prent >> >> Oslo >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> This moderated discussion group is for information exchange on >> the subject of >> Czernowitz and Sadagora Jewish History and Genealogy. The >> opinions expressed >> in these posts are the opinions of the original poster only and >> not necessarily >> the opinions of the List Owner, the Webmaster or any other members >> or entities connected with this mailing list. 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