On 04/16/2014 09:35 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 01:37 +0200, Linux-Fan wrote:
Just got a message that the list server did not like the URL in my
signature. I have amended the message to hopefully reach the list properly.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Wayland in Debian / About Window Buttons and Menu Bars
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2014 01:29:04 +0200
From: Linux-Fan <[email protected]>
Organization: Ma_Sys.ma
To: [email protected]
On 04/16/2014 06:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
[...]
And a serious question, perhaps OT, but we never know.
The question directly asks for opinion and is not really Debian-related
-- it could be asked on another Linux mailing list or even about Windows
applications. Still I also consider it an interesting question.
Do you like the trend to drop window title bars, resp. to drop window
buttons and to drop menu bars?
These are three different questions.
1. IMO window title bars are useful to provide information like the
page title or opened file or the terminal name or such and are
therefore useful as long as they are not provided by a different
means (for example browser tabs or VIM status line or some people's
shell prompts)
2. The usefulness of window buttons depends on the window manager.
Currently, I use Spectrwm which offers no window buttons. Instead, I
close windows with [WIN]-[X], maximize windows with
[WIN]-[SHIFT]-[3], [WIN]-[3] (move window to workspace 3 and open
workspace 3) or [WIN]-[SPACE] (cycle layout) and minimize windows
using [WIN]-[W]. As you can see, graphical buttons are not required.
3. Concerning the menu bars. Although I try to avoid complex graphical
applications more and more, I still use some, for example Iceweasel,
Icedove, Libreoffice and JEdit. Menus make the large set of these
programs' features available which is why I consider them useful.
Differently worded: Dropping menu bars from complex and graphical
applications is *bad* IMHO.
www.another-bloated-desktop-conspiracy-question-mark.neverneverland
:) From my point of view an OT list is OK for such questions.
:)
Btw. I don't think it's a conspiracy, but a step into the wrong
direction. Assumed we use displays and not braille, then for some needs
we want to have at least menu and tool bars, e.g. for pro-audio usage.
Wayland seems to be a step to drop WMs for the DEs and to open the doors
to break work-flows for special needs. The majority seems to like what
current gedit, gnome calculator etc. from upstream do (not) provide. No
title, no menu and no tool bars. I dislike this step into the wrong
direction.
I thought Wayland/Weston would leave those parts to the desktop and stay
out of mission critical stuff?? Am I drinking the Kool Aid here ?
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