Hi Siddhart, for my UP dataset, I used spatial matching of polling booth locations against the MODIS urban extent satellite layer of 2002 - tends to be larger urban centres, though. Another option is to look at "how many polling stations have multiple booths" [polling stations being defined as booths with almost same name in almost same location] - this turned out to be a rather accurate (and up-to-date) representation of the "urban" as well as "small town" - only real rural stations have only one booth, in my experience (UP)...
Best, Raphael On 16.03.2014 06:03, Siddarth Raman wrote: > Hi Avinash, > > Thanks a ton for pointing out the excel files with delimitation. I read > what you wrote. Will take a look at the zip fie and cross-check. I too > had hoped the district mapping was contiguous with some political > boundaries, but they aren't. Bangalore, funnily has a ward (44 I think) > which is split across three different patches of land which don't share > a boundary! > > For those interested in more background regarding the why of it all... > > I was curious to understand what according to anyone is an Urban > Parliamentary constituency? Mint had done a study a while back > - > http://www.livemint.com/Specials/XovcjYRkWCBLJSwQwxY6wN/India-has-only-53-predominantly-urban-constituencies.html > - > their main source was the million plus cities of India as per census. > That sparked off the thought. I wanted to dig deeper. I thought that > while one might disagree with the census definition of urban, it's a > basis to begin with. Was hoping to look at all PC and AC with a % urban. >> 50% would imply urban constituency (perhaps not the best method, but > seemed like a good start) > > I guess it isn't as easy as I imagined, but still would be good to > figure out. Do let me know if anyone has other ideas. > > Regards, > Siddarth > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 2:31:34 PM UTC+5:30, Avinash Celestine wrote: > > hmm yes thats true. its basically an inefficient way to engineer > seat gains - there are many other more efficient ways! > > A > > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Srinivasan Ramani > <sriniv...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > Interjecting in a fantastic conversation... (Kudos to Avinash & > Raphael and others for the efforts to mix/match AC-PC and > administrative jurisdictions).. > > There is no direct containment of ACs within a district. Case in > point is Delhi, where ACs dont' fit single districts at all. > > Avinash, > > Trouble with the kind of political delimitation that you talk > about is that..it doesn't really serve any purpose. With > cross-determination of powers at various levels - blocks, wards, > districts under the bureaucracy vis-a-vis MLAs, changing > administrative jurisdictions doesn't make much sense as much as > doing direct gerrymandering for political vote-gaining. In other > words, the powers of a MLA administratively is much too nebulous > as compared to district officials across the bureaucracy and the > third tier of democracy. > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:49 PM, Avinash Celestine > <avinash....@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > unfortunately you may be right... so thats another layer of > complexity... > > On a slightly related note, i have often thought, though i > dont know if its actually possible in practice, for > governments to do some delimitation on their own (for > political purposes). For instance, if a village/area is near > the border of a constituency, its possible through an order > to bring it under the administrative jurisdiction of a > neighbouring district. If that district is then served by a > different AC, you have effectively done some delimitation of > your own, without actually calling it that.... > > given that delimitation papers don't specify individual > villages in many cases, it seems entirely possible to do... > > looking forward to your dataset, Raphael! > > avinash > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Raphael Susewind > <li...@raphael-susewind.de <javascript:>> wrote: > > Might well be the rule (I remember having read something > like this, > too), but the reality apparently differs (at least in > the EC's own > data)... Never depend on rules, check them! ;-) > > On 15.03.2014 08:58, Avinash Celestine wrote: > > thanks. the rule, as far as i remember, is that ACs > are entirely > > contained within a district boundary. PCs, on the > other hand, can span > > across district boundaries. > > > > A > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Raphael Susewind > > <li...@raphael-susewind.de <javascript:> > <mailto:li...@raphael-susewind.de <javascript:>>> wrote: > > > > Hi Avinash and all, > > > > I realized that each constituency falls within > only one district in your > > file, but there are constituencies that span > several districts and vice > > versa (rare, but it happens). I attached a list of > those, extracted from > > polling-station data on > eci-polldaymonitoring.nic.in > <http://eci-polldaymonitoring.nic.in> > > <http://eci-polldaymonitoring.nic.in > <http://eci-polldaymonitoring.nic.in>>. These are AC only, > > naturally the problem would proliferate if you > aggregate to PC, > > > > Hope it helps, > > Raphael > > > > On 15.03.2014 06:57, Avinash Celestine wrote: > > > hi > > > > > > attached an excel with AC-PC-district -states > matching along with > > codes > > > for AC-PC. I can add census district codes if > you like...give me a day > > > or two > > > > > > some states are not present - like J&K... if > someone could add those > > > that would be great > > > > > > Avinash > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 10:27 PM, indro ray > > <rayind...@gmail.com <javascript:> > <mailto:rayind...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > > > <mailto:rayind...@gmail.com <javascript:> > <mailto:rayind...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anand (Chitipothu), > > > Can I know the source from where you get the > polling booth and > > ward > > > data? Is it individual for each state and > does it provide the > > > lat-long for the polling booths? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Indro > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 9:45 AM, Anand > Chitipothu > > > <anand...@gmail.com <javascript:> > <mailto:anand...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > > <mailto:anand...@gmail.com <javascript:> > <mailto:anand...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:19 AM, > Siddarth Raman > > > <thridda...@gmail.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:thridda...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > <mailto:thridda...@gmail.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:thridda...@gmail.com <javascript:>>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > In line with the discussions on > elections, this is > > something > > > I'd started working on a while back > (and dropped). I was > > > essentially hoping for a PC to AC to > Ward mapping. As > > far as > > > I understand, census 2011 has > population data either > > at the > > > level of the ward or the district, > so if we had to run > > even > > > rudimentary data analysis on a > parliamentary or assembly > > > constituency (like total population) > accurately, I'm > > > guessing we need to go bottom up. > > > > > > I had started this by attempting to > > > convert > > > > http://eci.nic.in/eci_main/CurrentElections/CONSOLIDATED_ORDER%20_ECI%20.pdf > > <http://eci.nic.in/eci_main/CurrentElections/CONSOLIDATED_ORDER%20_ECI%20.pdf> > > into > > > excel (using a mixture of pattern > matching in > > notepad++ and > > > a bit of excel vb). It's time > consuming (largely because > > > each state follows its own > convention - not standardized) > > > > > > Any suggestions on how one might go > about this? If I > > wanted > > > to estimate the population in a > parliamentary > > constituency, > > > or the total households, or the > urban/rural split, how > > would > > > I go about it? Is there a better > method than looking > > at the > > > above demarcation notification? Are > there datasets on this > > > already? > > > > > > New to the group, didn't find any > prior discussions on > > > Parliamentary to Assembly to > Ward/Village demarcations. > > > > > > > > > Hi Siddarth, > > > > > > The voter list PDFs have the ward info > for each polling booth. > > > The PDFs have the number of voter, but > not the population. > > So it > > > possible to sum up those number to get a > count of number of > > > voters in a PC or AC. > > > > > > If you want polling booth to ward > mapping, I'll be able to > > > provide it. > > > > > > Anand > > > > > > -- > > > For more details about this list > > > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > > > --- > > > You received this message because you > are subscribed to the > > > Google Groups "datameet" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop > receiving emails from > > > it, send an email to > datameet+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>> > > > <mailto:datameet+u...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>>>. > > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For more details about this list > > > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > > > --- > > > You received this message because you are > subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "datameet" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop > receiving emails from it, > > > send an email to > datameet+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>> > > > <mailto:datameet+u...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>>>. > > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > For more details about this list > > > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > > > --- > > > You received this message because you are > subscribed to the Google > > > Groups "datameet" group. > > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop > receiving emails from it, send > > > an email to datameet+u...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>> > > > <mailto:datameet+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>>>. > > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > -- > > Raphael Susewind | BGHS Bielefeld University, > CSASP University of Oxford > > Snail Mail | Melanchthonstr. 4a, 33615 > Bielefeld, Germany > > Papers & Blog | http://www.raphael-susewind.de > > > > Please do consider http://www.gnupg.org for > encryption (key id A5ED49AE) > > > > > > -- > > For more details about this list > > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed > to the Google > > Groups "datameet" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving > emails from it, send > > an email to datameet+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> > > <mailto:datameet+u...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>. > > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > -- > Raphael Susewind | BGHS Bielefeld University, CSASP > University of Oxford > Snail Mail | Melanchthonstr. 4a, 33615 Bielefeld, > Germany > Papers & Blog | http://www.raphael-susewind.de > > Please do consider http://www.gnupg.org for encryption > (key id A5ED49AE) > > -- > For more details about this list > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to > the Google Groups "datameet" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from it, send an email to datameet+u...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > For more options, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > -- > For more details about this list > http://datameet.org/discussions/ > <http://datameet.org/discussions/> > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google Groups "datameet" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails > from it, send an email to datameet+u...@googlegroups.com > <javascript:>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. > > > > > -- > Best Regards, > Srinivasan V. 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