Hi Justin: Your sample dataset looks interesting. I compared the Karnataka sample with the one that Thejesh had uploaded (which was shared from our archive). In some ways the match /fit with physical features is better, but some village shapes seem totally different and perhaps oversimplified. Could do a detailed check later. But I don't see any village codes/names in the attribute table. Are they present? Or linkable somehow? To census 2011?
It would be good to know this source of India-wide village boundaries... or perhaps you could simply share the full dataset.... At this stage, more the merrier.... :-) Sharad On Thursday, August 25, 2016 at 7:22:11 PM UTC+5:30, Justin Meyers wrote: > > Thej, > Could you share the download links for the data? The three village > datasets you created align close with Bhuvan data, but there is a shift. I > believe there are a few different versions of villages that bhuvan uses and > WRIS. Yesterday I found a whole new India village dataset - attached are > three samples. Your Kerala data seems to be the best quality of the data > you have uploaded thus far. At the end of the day, all this data must come > from the SOI. I just wish it was easier to speak to them and have open and > transparent conversations about the benefit of sharing this data with the > people. Right now we have to scrape data - trust names and codes. The > data is old, outdated, shifted, and no-one knows. No-one tells us anything > and we have to assume a nation wide dataset of villages, tehsils, etc is > correct. > > Cheers > > On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 7:27:12 AM UTC-4, Thejesh GN wrote: >> >> 1. Thank you. I have added the same to reference section. >> 2. I will write a python script to update geojson based on this. I will >> share once its done. >> 3. In the meantime, we have added Karnataka maps. I am yet to clean >> things there (tasks: >> https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries/blob/master/ka/ka.md >> ) >> 4. I am also working on the Bihar maps. We should have it by Monday. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thej >> -- >> Thejesh GN *⏚* ತೇಜೇಶ್ ಜಿ.ಎನ್ >> http://thejeshgn.com >> GPG ID : 0xBFFC8DD3C06DD6B0 >> >> On 19 August 2016 at 00:58, Craig Dsouza <craig...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Thej, >>> the census codes lookup tables 2001-2011 are attached. >>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B4-jbJK7OOmrckpCSkZWbnZOUFZydEFfdlM5eWd1dkR2Q29v >>> Raphael on the group had shared them earlier. >>> the original source is >>> https://egovstandards.gov.in/mapping_land_region_codification >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 9:28:10 PM UTC+5:30, Thejesh GN wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> @arun >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Couple of tasks: >>>> 1. Enhance our list of references on readme.md >>>> https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries >>>> It will help us as we work on the maps. >>>> >>>> 2. Adding CENSUS_CODE_2011 codes for villages. It can be derived >>>> from CENSUS_CODE_2001 codes. But needs work and validation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Added contributing.md page >>>> >>>> https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md >>>> >>>> >>>> Thej >>>> -- >>>> Thejesh GN *⏚* ತೇಜೇಶ್ ಜಿ.ಎನ್ >>>> http://thejeshgn.com >>>> GPG ID : 0xBFFC8DD3C06DD6B0 >>>> >>>> On 17 August 2016 at 21:17, Arun Ganesh <arung...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Its amazing to see this move forward with DataMeet, thank you Nisha >>>>> and Thej for pushing this! Any immediate tasks with which others could >>>>> support? >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:58 PM, Nisha Thompson <ni...@datameet.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> @Sharad - To expand what Thej said: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thej and I met with lawyers at Alternative Law Forum in Bangalore. >>>>>> >>>>>> We discussed DataMeet, we are a community of people who believe in >>>>>> open data and share data with one another over the group. The data is >>>>>> usually government owned publicly available data that was procured >>>>>> through >>>>>> many methods but sometimes data owned by individuals (companies, >>>>>> researchers, students etc) are shared as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> We met with them regarding the mapping data we hold. Currently >>>>>> DataMeet has the only publicly available Parliamentary and Assembly >>>>>> Constituency shapefiles for download under OBDL, as well as District, >>>>>> some >>>>>> ward maps and other isolated mapping information provided to us to >>>>>> maintain >>>>>> by the community. >>>>>> >>>>>> When the community decided to start tackling the village files Thej >>>>>> and I were concerned about having that much mapping data available from >>>>>> government sources given the Survey of India's regulations regarding >>>>>> mapping information. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a lot of gray areas in the law and in the regulation. >>>>>> Basically we should be concerned with copyright violation but it is >>>>>> unlikely that they will go after you for that. It is important to create >>>>>> a >>>>>> sense of demand, then document the process of getting and processing the >>>>>> information and also that this information being shared is in the public >>>>>> interest. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copyright Law - Data is not technically copyrighted but the way it is >>>>>> stored and created is. Maps are creations and interpretations of data >>>>>> therefore a map is technically copyrighted. Making a copy of it and >>>>>> changing it's format from one to another is a gray area in copyright. >>>>>> (Some >>>>>> say yes some say no) >>>>>> >>>>>> Mapping Policy - Only the Survey of India is allowed to map and >>>>>> distribute maps. However, they make a lot of partnerships with vendors >>>>>> and >>>>>> distributors for their maps. Again taking an official GOI and SOI map >>>>>> (Census, NIC village provided maps) and changing the format a gray area >>>>>> for >>>>>> copyright but whether the SOI considered it a violation of their >>>>>> distribution is another story. >>>>>> >>>>>> What it comes down to is our intent and how risk adverse we are. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are not very risk adverse and we believe in open data for public >>>>>> good, so we decided to move forward with the effort but proceed >>>>>> cautiously >>>>>> and deliberately. >>>>>> >>>>>> If the government asks us to take them down we will but we should be >>>>>> prepared to make the case for why they should provide the maps. >>>>>> >>>>>> We spent some time collecting demand information from people on why >>>>>> mapping information needs to be available and ideally in the open. >>>>>> We articulated the need to have this information in the open and with >>>>>> the Save the Map campaign in full swing at the same time there has been >>>>>> a >>>>>> reasonable public conversation about the importance of mapping >>>>>> information >>>>>> be available, not restricted, and in the open. >>>>>> We then looked at the states that already had PDF maps of their >>>>>> villages available and began to convert them, people contributed their >>>>>> individual efforts in converting maps and over the last several months >>>>>> managed to get the whole country in some form or the other. >>>>>> Now we can finish processing them and get them out to the public. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an ongoing conversation and we will continue having the >>>>>> conversation with ALF and others so please send any questions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nisha >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 4:30 PM, Arun Ganesh <arung...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thej, if it helps, the OSM wiki probably has the most comprehensive >>>>>>> documentation of the varying boundary levels in India >>>>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_India/Boundaries >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Would be great to get some experts well versed the the governance >>>>>>> structure to take a look and provide feedback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 2:11 PM, Thejesh GN <i...@thejeshgn.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> @dev >>>>>>>> I was planning to rename attributes because if someone converts >>>>>>>> these geojsons into shapefile then the name would remain same and >>>>>>>> reduce >>>>>>>> confusion. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 16, 2016 1:49 PM, "Devdatta Tengshe" <devd...@tengshe.in> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >i will rename the attributes so the length of attribute name is >>>>>>>> 8. Can you put an issue. Easy to track. >>>>>>>> There is no need to do that. This is one of the limitations of the >>>>>>>> shapefile format, and we have no such limitations when we have a >>>>>>>> GeoJSON >>>>>>>> file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > in census, they use subdistrict. Is it same as Taluk? >>>>>>>> Pretty much. In different parts of the country, sub districts are >>>>>>>> called by different names. They can be called Taluk, Tehesil, Mandal, >>>>>>>> Blocs, etc, depending on where you are in the country. hence the >>>>>>>> Census >>>>>>>> came up with an Abstract name for them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Devdatta >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Thejesh GN <i...@thejeshgn.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @arun: i will rename the attributes so the length of attribute >>>>>>>>> name is 8. Can you put an issue. Easy to track. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @question: in census, they use subdistrict. Is it same as Taluk? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also anyone has 2001 to 2011 village code mappings? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2016 9:32 PM, "Thejesh GN" <i...@thejeshgn.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 August 2016 at 18:12, "Sharad Lele [शरच्चंद्र लेले]" < >>>>>>>>> shara...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For some reason, this email by Thejesh did not show up datameet >>>>>>>>>> (or maybe I just missed it?). So forwarding it to the group. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thejesh, thanks for this. I have two queries: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. Is this effort different from the effort by Nisha? My >>>>>>>>>> impression was that we had (with the group) access to boundaries of >>>>>>>>>> many >>>>>>>>>> more states, but the issue was copyright etc, and that Nisha, you >>>>>>>>>> and some >>>>>>>>>> others were taking legal opinion on the same. Is what you have put >>>>>>>>>> out a >>>>>>>>>> result of that? What is the legal opinion? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Its the same effort, This is going to be our single effort. In >>>>>>>>> this phase-1 we are going to publish boundaries of the villages for >>>>>>>>> states >>>>>>>>> which are derived from the government websites. We are applying our >>>>>>>>> license >>>>>>>>> - ODBL to the additional skilled and creative work our volunteers do, >>>>>>>>> designing, organizing, extracting, georeferencing, drawing missing >>>>>>>>> areas, >>>>>>>>> adding more attributes, cleaning etc and attribute/credit the source >>>>>>>>> (Govt >>>>>>>>> Website) for each state. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I know there are more boundaries with complicated licenses. The >>>>>>>>> talks are still on, as of now we are not publishing them. we will >>>>>>>>> look at >>>>>>>>> them in phase-2. We will keep the list updated. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So as of now its govt public data + DataMeet volunteer's creative >>>>>>>>> work. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2. I think I have asked this silly question on the group before, >>>>>>>>>> but have to ask it again: what is the 'json' format, and why is it >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> to put the data out in that format than in .shp? And how does one >>>>>>>>>> convert >>>>>>>>>> from json to .shp? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Our boundaries are incomplete in some cases or might have errors. >>>>>>>>> Hence we are maintaining them in git similar to source code, where >>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>> changes to the file can be seen tracked and seen. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> geojson or json is a simple text format. Which can be opened by a >>>>>>>>> simple text editor and hence gives advantage to compare the versions, >>>>>>>>> do a >>>>>>>>> diff just like source code. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Shape files are a format by ESRI is more like a binary format. Its >>>>>>>>> difficult to compare them on GitHub. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would suggest http://mapshaper.org/ (Its open source so you can >>>>>>>>> run internally if required) . You can convert between >>>>>>>>> Shapefiles/geojson/topojson. Work on them and export. I have attached >>>>>>>>> screenshots. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been using it a lot and it has really great support for all >>>>>>>>> formats. I would suggest you to use http://mapshaper.org/ and let >>>>>>>>> the group know if you face any issues. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let me know if you have any more questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>> Sharad >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: "Data{Meet}" <donot...@wordpress.com> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 15 Aug 2016 10:27 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [New post] Happy Independence Day and Open Indian >>>>>>>>>> Village Boundaries >>>>>>>>>> To: <sbad...@atree.org> >>>>>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thejesh GN posted: "One of the longest and most passionately >>>>>>>>>> discussed subject on the Data{Meet} list is the availability of >>>>>>>>>> Indian >>>>>>>>>> Village Boundaries in Digital format. Search for Indian Village >>>>>>>>>> shape files >>>>>>>>>> and you can spend hours on reading interesting conversations. Over" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> New post on *Data{Meet}* >>>>>>>>>> <http://datameet.org/?author=1> Happy Independence Day and Open >>>>>>>>>> Indian Village Boundaries >>>>>>>>>> <http://datameet.org/2016/08/15/happy-independence-day-open-indian-village-boundaries/> >>>>>>>>>> by >>>>>>>>>> Thejesh GN <http://datameet.org/?author=1> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> One of the longest and most passionately discussed subject on the >>>>>>>>>> Data{Meet} list is the availability of Indian Village Boundaries in >>>>>>>>>> Digital >>>>>>>>>> format. Search for Indian Village shape files >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/datameet/India$20Village$20boundaries$20%7Csort:relevance> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> and you can spend hours on reading interesting conversations. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over last two years different members of community have tried to >>>>>>>>>> digitize >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21searchin/datameet/damle$20gujarat$20map%7Csort:relevance/datameet/zLP-eRtGxYY/FlQqBMriCAAJ> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the maps available through various government platforms or shared >>>>>>>>>> the maps through their organizations >>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21topic/datameet/dBNmEToJ5CI>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A look at the list discussion tells you that boundaries of at the >>>>>>>>>> least 75% of the states are available in various formats and >>>>>>>>>> quality. What >>>>>>>>>> we need at this point is a consolidate effort to bring them all on >>>>>>>>>> par in >>>>>>>>>> format, attributes and to some level quality. So some volunteers at >>>>>>>>>> Data{Meet} agreed to come together, clean up the available maps, add >>>>>>>>>> attributes, make them geojson and publish them on our GitHub >>>>>>>>>> repository >>>>>>>>>> called Indian Village Boundaries >>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course this will be an on going effort but we would love to >>>>>>>>>> reach a baseline (all states) by year end. As of now I have cleaned >>>>>>>>>> up and >>>>>>>>>> uploaded Gujarat. I have at the least 4 more states to go live by >>>>>>>>>> month >>>>>>>>>> end. Karnataka, Kerala, Tamil Nadu and Goa. I will announce them on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> list as they go live. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The boundaries are organized by state using state ISO code. All >>>>>>>>>> the village boundaries are available in geojson (WGS84, EPSG4326) >>>>>>>>>> format. >>>>>>>>>> The project page >>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries> gives >>>>>>>>>> you the status of the data as we clean and upload. Data is not >>>>>>>>>> perfect yet, >>>>>>>>>> there could many errors both in data and boundaries. You can >>>>>>>>>> contribute by >>>>>>>>>> sending the pull requests. Please use the census names when >>>>>>>>>> correcting the >>>>>>>>>> attributes and geojson for shapes and but please source them to an >>>>>>>>>> official >>>>>>>>>> source. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Like everything else community creates. All map data will be >>>>>>>>>> available under Open Data Commons Open Database License (ODbL) >>>>>>>>>> <http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/>. This data is >>>>>>>>>> distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT ANY >>>>>>>>>> WARRANTY; >>>>>>>>>> without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR >>>>>>>>>> A >>>>>>>>>> PARTICULAR PURPOSE. If you find issues we are more than happy to >>>>>>>>>> accept >>>>>>>>>> corrections but please source them to an official source. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On this 70th Independence day, as we celebrate the historic event >>>>>>>>>> of India becoming Free and Independent, Data{Meet} community >>>>>>>>>> celebrates by >>>>>>>>>> cleaning, formatting and digitizing our village boundaries. Have a >>>>>>>>>> great >>>>>>>>>> time using the maps and contributing back to society. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries >>>>>>>>>> <https://github.com/datameet/indian_village_boundaries> * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Picture: Kedarnath range behind the Kedarnath temple early >>>>>>>>>> morning. 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