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Cheers, Alun On 29 Jul 2022, at 14:24, Warren Kumari via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2022 at 9:50 PM, Cynthia Revström <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > I am not sure how you came to that conclusion, the way I read Maria's email > didn't make me come to a conclusion anything like that. > > Maria said: > > The RIPE Database is meant to contain specific information for the purposes > that are defined in the RIPE Database Terms and Conditions. > > The RIPE DB T&C and the DBTF report are not the same and the RIPE DB T&C > could be amended. > > Maria also says: > > If the community's interests have changed since then and it is now agreed > that geolocation is one of the purposes the RIPE Database must fulfil, this > should be decided via the community's processes and reflected in the RIPE > Database Terms and Conditions. > > I feel like this directly goes against what you are saying, it seems very > clear to me that it is possible to change the purposes. > > > > I'll also note that Maria's initial email said: "personal data that is not > required or necessary for the currently defined purposes of the RIPE > Database" with "currently defined" written in big, bold, flashy letters. It > then continues with the paragraph you have quoted above: "If the community's > interests have changed since then and it is now agreed that geolocation is > one of the purposes the RIPE Database must fulfil, this should be decided via > the community's processes…" > > I happen to think that Geofeed could easily fall into: > "Publishing routing policies by network operators (IRR)" — part of my > "routing policy" is that 192.0.2.0/24 is in Cologne, and that seems useful > for you to know to build your policy as well > and / or > "Facilitating coordination between network operators (network problem > resolution, outage notification etc.)" — you are seeing long latency to > 192.0.2.0/24? Geofeeds tells you that that is in Warsaw, so when you contact > me you can say something like "200ms seems like a long time to get from > Berlin to Warsaw… perhaps we can not route this through Singapore??"" > and / or > "Scientific research into network operations and topology" — you are doing > Internet measurements on latency. Why does traceroute to 192.0.2.0/24 take > 3ms and 203.0.113.0/24 take 89ms? Well, Geofeeds tells you that one is in > Akureyri and the other is in Lisbon. Seems like worth knowing… > > But, the bolding of "currently defined" and the "If the community's interests > have changed since then…" seems to imply that it is at least worth discussing > if we can add Denis suggestion of ""The RIPE Database may contain data that > an agreed set of external services may use, require or rely on." and if it > does actually need "a resolution by the GM to change the T&C", etc. > > Even if we successfully argue that Geofeeds fits into one of the above > examples, it does seem like having the T&C reflect what people want to be > able to use the DB for… > > W > > > > > -Cynthia > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2022 at 3:29 AM Ronald F. Guilmette via db-wg > > <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > In message > <cakw1m3pzpzwjhonygrsay_2azhezptw4avw7gwclhmt_qt2...@mail.gmail.com> > > =?UTF-8?Q?Cynthia_Revstr=C3=B6m?= <m...@cynthia.re> wrote: > The purposes could change... > > No, they couldn't. > > It appears that the RIPE Database Requirements Task Force issued its > > "final report" sometime late last year, and now the wheels have ground on > further to bring us to the point where RIPE legal has issued an official > proclamation to the effect that everything that does not comport with the > Task Force's final list of defined purposes _must_ be jetisoned and thrown > overboard. > That would appear to be the short version of where things stand now. > > Based upon the principal of stare decisis, it would seem to be a bit late in > the game to try to roll back any of what has already been adjudicated. > > Regards, > rfg > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change > your subscription options, please visit: > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/db-wg
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