Hi,

I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent to 
l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.

Cheers,
Alun

On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:53, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:52, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 22 Aug 2022, at 07:47, Alun Davies via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I’m out of office till 22 August. Any RIPE Labs related queries can be sent 
> to l...@ripe.net and one of my colleagues will get back to you.
> 
> Cheers,
> Alun
> 
> On 29 Jul 2022, at 16:56, denis walker via db-wg <db-wg@ripe.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022, 16:00 Randy Bush, <ra...@psg.com> wrote:
> >> the purpose has been for operational use since dirt was invented.  the
> > The term 'operational use' has never actually been defined. But if we
> > were to define it then I suspect it will be more about network
> > operators solving technical problems with keeping networks online.
> 
> the network is for the users.  and they want their mtv.  and they can
> not have their mtv unless the content providers geolocate them.
> 
> A lot of this discussion is about interpreting one defined purpose trying to 
> make everything fit in order to 'get around' a legal review. That legal 
> review is based on the RIPE NCC legal team doing what they are paid for...to 
> protect the RIPE NCC from legal action. If the purpose was so clear we would 
> not be doing this dance. If it's not that clear a legal council making a 
> challenge against the NCC has room to manoeuvre. It makes sense to have a 
> clearly defined purpose. Then there is no argument. 
> 
> Cheers
> denis 
> Co- chair DB-WG 
> 
> 
> >> maybe we do not need to make a bureaucratic mountain out of a
> >> molehill.
> > Welcome to the modern world.
> 
> i will resist this bait
> 
> randy
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