Hello Paul,

ok, you got me on the httpd.conf - kinda mixed it up with tomcats 
files :)

ad1) I was just asking to consider it
ad2) Full ack on that

I don't have strong feelings about this - I've already written my 
parsers for dbmail.conf in php and perl - but I've as well been
using XML::Simple in perl which is intended to read even small 
xml-configs and just liked it for the "sheer lazyness" as Dan 
would say.

anyway let's just stop on xml :)

--
Wolfram




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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul J Stevens
> Sent: Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2004 09:13
> To: DBMAIL Developers Mailinglist
> Subject: Re: [Dbmail-dev] Releasing 2.0?
> 
> Ah Dan, as ever so subtle. I am with you on this one 
> nonetheless. Dbmail doesn't 
> need xml at the moment, for two reasons:
> 
> 1) as Dan points out, it ain't broken, and xml formatting the 
> config won't 
> actually have much added value. Well, actually the current 
> config parser stands 
> to be improved. Inline comments for instance are not handled 
> nicely. But that is 
> a really minor issue.
> 
> 2) More importantly however, there is discussion about moving 
> major parts of the 
> configuration back into the config table in the/a database. 
> Personally I think 
> that this is even whackier than xml for many reasons. The 
> current filebased 
> config setup is extremely versatile, and in line with both 
> user expectations and 
> unix tradition. Still, if db-based configs is the wave of the 
> future for dbmail, 
> much of this discussion will be moot.
> 
> Wolfgang, since you too seem to have some strong feelings 
> about this issue, 
> perhaps you could explicate some of the actual real-world 
> applications an 
> xml-ified config would have.
> 
> Dan Weber wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 13, 2004 at 02:23:17AM +0200, Wolfram A. 
> Kraushaar wrote:
> > 
> >>>Thats just plain retarded. Extra dependencies on something that 
> >>>is clearly not needed is pointless.
> >>
> >>So you'd call the apache guys as well "retarded" using xml-style 
> >>in their httpd.conf, as it wouldn't be needed there either?
> 
> Calling httpd.conf xml-style is really stretching the whole 
> concept. It just 
> isn't xml at all. I know many apache projects use xml 
> configs, but the webserver 
> isn't one of them.
> 
> >>
> > 
> > Apache has a complex configuration, it needs sgml.  Dbmail 
> does not and it
> > would be pointless to implement for the limited context of 
> our configuration
> > files.
> > 
> >>>Especcially since xml doesn't give us any extended
> >>>benefit over parsing a simple plain text configuration file.  
> >>
> >>As I already pointed out below: Maybe *you* do not have (or see in 
> >>the moment) any benefit over this, but for sure developers of 
> >>third-party applications.
> > 
> > You are full of shit.  "If it ain't broke don't fix it"
> > 
> > Dan
> > 
> > 
> > 
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