On Wed, 2025-06-18 at 13:50 +1000, Finn Thain wrote: > > How is messing with a hobbyist project "harmful" in any way? That makes > > no sense. > > > > If your port was a pure hobbyist project, you would never have brought > your complaint to the upstream mailing lists, where developers have to > work with ALL interested parties and make the necessary compromises.
Can you list ALL interested parties, please? I only know about Gentoo and Debian and both want to make the switch. > But, as usual, you're trying to have it both ways. You pretend that wiping > wiping your slate clean and starting over doesn't impact anyone else. But > then you complain when the upstream projects don't care to invest effort > into your scheme. Again, can you list the other downstream projects that would be affected and that oppose this change? Please come with actual evidence instead of just remaining vague. > The way to find a compromise is to build the thing you need, and then, if > any of it is found to be useful upstream, send patches! That's how this > process has always worked, has it not? I have never denied that. The problem here is that I started a discussion to resolve a longstanding problem with the m68k port and you immediately started shooting at it instead of trying to work something out together. > Moreover, to the extent that those patches get merged, we will have the > beginnings of a second ABI with a second tuple. To the extend that those > patches get rejected, you will have a fork on your hands. I won't have a problem with maintaining the fork. As I have repeatedly said, the Gentoo people are working on the same change, so it's more like the upstream developers that would exclude themselves. > So, some upstream developers will have to support both ABIs (for them, > you've just created work). Other developers will have to choose between > either one (for them, you've just make collaboration more difficult). You're again being vague. You talk about Linux/m68k as if there were dozens of downstream distributions and projects when there is in fact just Debian and Gentoo which both, as I have said countless times now, want to make the switch. So, I have no idea what these other mystical downstream projects should be. > This is a lose/lose proposition. And if you think I'm wrong about that, > please just send patches and demonstrate why. I have received multiple messages now, off- and on-list, from users that are supporting my efforts as they see the value in making software more useful to users instead of just insisting on adhering to a broken ABI that no one really cares about anymore in the year 2025. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer `. `' Physicist `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
