I did an install of Jessie today from one of the netboot images. I did an install of the xfce desktop and lightdm display manager which I believe is the default at this point. I know that from prior experience, by default, xfce doesn't load the accessibility modules for gtk but they can either be sourced in a profile or there is a checkbox in the accessibility settings for xfce that loads the modules. I chose to check the accessibility box as I know from prior experience that this works reliably. If XFCE does get chosen as the default desktop, I wonder if checking this box could be part of the accessibility profile in the installer for Debian if the desktop task is chosen. I know that this can be done on the command line using xfconf. After I restarted the machine, I got the expected level of accessibility from XFCE. For those who don't know, the current state of accessibility in XFCE allows one to read the menus and some of the programs that are included with the desktop. Currently the panel is completely inaccessible with Orca. Thunar (XFCE's file manager) has some accessibility issues that prevent access to the desktop but if you replace this with pcmanfm from the lxde desktop, you will find these are resolved as of the new version that was released a few weeks ago. All the things I have described so far are upstream and are not related specifically to Debian. One problem I have found that I have only seen in debian is inaccessibility of the mozilla apps in a non-gnome environment. I tried Iceweasel from the Debian repositories. When this would not work, I tried downloading a precompiled version from the Mozilla site and orca still wouldn't talk. It appears orca is not even seeing the application because when using orca -l which gives a list of application orca sees, the Mozilla apps are not listed at all. It appears that others are having a similar issue see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=956684. One of the things mentioned in this bug report is that Mozilla apps check for an accessibility value using dbus to enable their accessibility. I checked this value in my environment and the value was set to true. I wonder if the issue could be related since ubuntu is downstream from debian. I have not had this issue in Gentoo or Arch with XFCE so I guess at this point, a next step would be to figure out what is different in the Debian environment. I will do some poking around in my Gentoo, Arch, and Debian environments and see if I can spot some differences but I thought at least posting this hear could maybe help determine if others are having this issue, and make others aware. I will also install a full Gnome environment on Debian to see if I can get Mozilla apps talking there. Any advice related to this issue would be greatly appreciated.
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