Le 08/11/2019 à 01:21, thom...@fastmail.cn a écrit :
Hi,
> I guess the issue seems to be that patches are being created for what
upstream thinks is a broken system in some ways and it sounds like
things like keyboard snooping could cause problems in the future. I
honestly don't know enough to understand whether its broken from a
design standpoint, however, it at least lets me use the computer.
Sure. But the current implementation is hard to maintain by the
technical guys. Hence their request for change.
Sorry for the comparison but they do as Italy with immigration: they
handle an European problem, but others do not move as they continuously
support it. One day, they say "stop", others say "oh no", and a
discussion starts. GTK devs try this, they create a kind of "shock" to
make the community move. But with dialog, we will be able to work
together, otherwise there are other possible toolkits with the same
result if work is done.
I am not a skilled enough developer to understand all this yet but I rely on
accessibility software for my job. I guess I would just like as honest as an
answer as possible. If people think accessibility is going to be removed or key
parts of the needed infrastructure, I see no other option than to buy a Mac now
so that I can continue to operate the computer in the future. I did notice some
comments that proposed removing ATK entirely which obviously would leave me
dead in the water.. Ultimately, if the end is approaching, I would like to
purchase a Mac as soon as possible since I will have to relearn the computer
and a new screen reader (VoiceOver and would like as smooth a transition as
possible.
Guys, in free software and in Debian, we live in do-cracy. It means that
when you are worry with a situation, get involved. How? Replying to bugs
showing you exist and how it is a problem in your usage, eventually
testing (packages from Sid, nightly releases, etc). If you use free
software as simple consumers and say "bye it will not work", it is a
ethical failure in the free software project. This philosophy is only
possible if we get involved, at least writing "oh we exist, we do this,
we need this!"
3 examples:
1. Thunderbird: see release 60 first edition: a lot of accessibility
bugs. Then, 68 release: most are fixed. Why? Alex and I test nightly,
report bugs, discuss with devs from ausage point of view (and not
technical). They like our contrib, hence we win some debates for a
better user experience.
2. Firefox: they enable a Reader View notification at each new page in
Nightly. If we do not test, it will go to next release and the user
experience will be horrible. We get involved in the bug, fixed, the
notification is just an option
3. GTK: if you read the bug logs you mention, you see that they think no
one use Orca. Even if they are told the opposite, they do not realize
how and what usages. At the beginning, it was "no". Now, it is "let's do
a hackfest, let's meet". Without reaction from Hypra guys and Samuel,
things would have gone and been broken.
So instead of thinking of leaving free software for Apple, where, as it
is a unique stack, nothing says they wil stay accessible in 10 years if
they decide it is no longer a business opportunity (see Microsoft from
2004 until 2016), show we exist!
Regards
I love using free software and hope to continue doing so, however, I ultimately
have to do what is necessary to keep my job so I can support myself.
Thanks for any information and i hope those here can understand my concerns and
honestly just not knowing what to do based on not having the technical
knowledge to understand entirely what is happening in the different upstream
packages.
