Glenn,
I just installed in a Virtual environment using the Latest Debian Net
Install iso.
Nothing said "something else".
These were the choices.
1) Debian desktop environment, (*)
2) ... GNOME,
3) ... xfce,
4) ... GNOME Flashback,
5) ... KDE Plasma,
6) ... Cinnamon,
7) ... MATE, (*)
8) ... LXDE,
9) ... LXQt,
10) ... web server,
11) ... ssh server,
12) ... standard system utilities, (*)
1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing.
I just did another install just selecting 12 but I didn't have
Internet, I probably could use those commands someone gave us, but
without Internet to access my email and see what those commands are,
I'm up a dry creek without a paddle.
nmcli and nmtui need to be installed with standard system utilities #12.
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 8:07 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
David,
It said a choice was called:
"something else".
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <mailto:n...@arrl.net>
*To:* K0LNY <mailto:glenn@ervin.email>
*Cc:* Geoff Shang <mailto:ge...@quitelikely.com> ;
debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2023 11:01 PM
*Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System with
Networking and screen reader
What was the "something else"? I don't know, and I can't tell
you unless you tell me.
This page says you will have choices, but doesn't list the
choices:
6.3. Using Individual Components (debian.org)
<https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch06s03.en.html#ftn.idm2653>
It does say that right at package selection you have a working
Debian system.
The Package Selection part says this helpful thing.
The “Desktop environment” task will install a graphical
desktop environment.
The instructions referenced above with the link says the
default graphical desktop environment is GNOME but I've found
that it installs MATE.
I cannot find anywhere where it tells me where the Package
Selections are, so I made a vmware installation of the latest
Debian Net Install.
1) Debian desktop environment, (*)
2) ... GNOME,
3) ... xfce,
4) ... GNOME Flashback,
5) ... KDE Plasma,
6) ... Cinnamon,
7) ... MATE, (*)
8) ... LXDE,
9) ... LXQt,
10) ... web server,
11) ... ssh server,
12) ... standard system utilities, (*)
1, 7 and 12 will be installed as default if you do nothing.
So for a CLI system, I'm going to just install 12, standard
system utilities.
But first since I already have a virtual system, I am going to
install the Default:
1) Debian desktop environment, 7) ... MATE, and 12) ...
standard system utilities.
The system comes up in MATE with MATE programs, no GNOME as
the Debian pages https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst said.
I deleted the Virtual Debian installation and reinstalled just
picking #12, standard system utilities.
This time I had no networking like I had with the Default
installation, 1, 7, and 12.
Also the programs nmcli and nmtui both were not available, so
I have no way to access the Internet.
It might be my Virtual Box settings, I've had to play around
with them before to get connectivity, but the default settings
would not allow me to ping google.com <http://google.com>.
So it looks like you'll still need to either install a GUI
then purge the GUI programs for MATE or connect to Ethernet or
use the difficult for me to remember console commands
to connect. My notebook only has WiFi..
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023 at 3:47 PM K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email> wrote:
David,
The way the menus were laid out over SSH, it sounded like
#13 was
something else
But I wasn't sure if it was stating that this was #13, but
all the other choices were desktop environments, which I
knew I didn't want.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:* D.J.J. Ring, Jr. <mailto:n...@arrl.net>
*To:* K0LNY <mailto:glenn@ervin.email>
*Cc:* Geoff Shang <mailto:ge...@quitelikely.com> ;
debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 30, 2023 1:46 PM
*Subject:* Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI System
with Networking and screen reader
Glenn,
You didn't say what choice #13 is.
Just select nothing at all.
Then get smxi and install your console browsers and
utilities.
SMXI always is at http://smxi.org/smxi.zip.
Download and unzip and the file you want to run is
"smxi". So chmod +x that file and run it using root
from the directory you downloaded it to by using
./smxi the smxi script will move itself where it belongs.
Run smxi as root and follow the prompts to update and
upgrade then go to Program Install and install Console
Browsers, Console Utilities and Ceni which is an
accessible network manager.
Then you'll have a functional console system just
remember the command for Ceni has a capital "C".
Install nmcli and nntui when you have networking using
"apt install nmcli nntui".
Does anyone remember the very old text menu for
Debian? It allowed users to select programs by
description, they were all console interface programs.
Regards,
David
On Tue, May 30, 2023, 12:55 K0LNY <glenn@ervin.email>
wrote:
Does this install anything CLI only?
I ran it, and the menus via SSH are sketchy, I
wanted to select "something
else" and I think it is #13, but I was afraid of
doing a desktop install,
because if I accidentally did that, the OMV won't
install, and I would have
to start over with my Debian CLI setup.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoff Shang" <ge...@quitelikely.com>
To: <debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2023 2:52 AM
Subject: Re: How to Install Basic Debian CLI
System with Networking and
screen reader
> On Tue, 30 May 2023, D.J.J. Ring, Jr. wrote:
>
>> I don't even know what you're talking about.
If I knew what your message
>> meant and how to do it, I'd gladly do it, but I
don't understand your
>> message, someone here must.
>
> In Debian, there is a package called tasksel.
The program that it
> provides runs as part of the installation, but
you can also presumably run
> it at any time.
>
> This is the part of the installation where you
can choose categories of
> software which wil be installed. This is the
part where I said that you
> can install a text only ssytem but not
installing any of the desktop
> environments.
>
> If I run tasksel on my installed system, I get
the following screen:
>
> Software selection
> ------------------
>
> You can choose to install one or more of the
following predefined
> collections of software.
>
> 1. Debian desktop environment 4. ... GNOME
Flashback 7. ... MATE 10.
> web server
> 2. ... GNOME 5. ... KDE
Plasma 8. ... LXDE 11.
> SSH server
> 3. ... Xfce 6. ...
Cinnamon 9. ... LXQt 12.
> laptop
>
> (Enter the items or ranges you want to select,
separated by spaces.)
>
> Choose software to install:
>
>
>
> This has changed a bit over time. You can see
in the above list that
> options 1 through 9 are all GUI-related, with
Web Server, SSH Server and
> Laptop as the remaining ptions. I know in the
past there were things like
> print server.
>
> Anyway, Samuel is suggesting reporting a bug
against the tasksel package,
> requesting that a "textual desktop" option be
added and listing which
> packages that this option should install.
>
> You can use reportbug to do this.
>
> I've not used reportbug in some time so I can't
really speak to using it,
> but it should be installed and I'm guessing
there's documentation for it.
>
> HTH,
> Geoff.
>
