Hello, On Fri, 2013-01-04 at 04:06 +0000, Steven Chamberlain wrote:
> I have some AMD Geode NX / CS5535-based devices (Wyse Sx0) which only > allow me to enter the BIOS menu with a *specific* USB keyboard out of > about 3 or 4 that I tried. (A cheap and uninteresting one branded > "SWEEX" works; a more expensive Cherry and some others didn't). > > It would be interesting to see your output of `lsusb -v` when the > keyboard is working. ok, I just reinstalled lenny, so here goes: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1bcf:0007 Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Optical Mouse Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 2.00 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x1bcf Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. idProduct 0x0007 Optical Mouse bcdDevice 0.10 iManufacturer 0 iProduct 2 USB Optical Mouse iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 34 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xa0 (Bus Powered) Remote Wakeup MaxPower 98mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 2 Mouse iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 33 bcdHID 1.10 bCountryCode 0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType 34 Report wDescriptorLength 87 Report Descriptors: ** UNAVAILABLE ** Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0006 1x 6 bytes bInterval 10 Device Status: 0x0000 (Bus Powered) Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.26-2-486 ohci_hcd iProduct 2 OHCI Host Controller iSerial 1 0000:00:0f.5 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes bInterval 255 Hub Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 41 nNbrPorts 2 wHubCharacteristic 0x0002 No power switching (usb 1.0) Ganged overcurrent protection bPwrOn2PwrGood 1 * 2 milli seconds bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere DeviceRemovable 0x00 PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff Hub Port Status: Port 1: 0000.0100 power Port 2: 0000.0303 lowspeed power enable connect Device Status: 0x0003 Self Powered Remote Wakeup Enabled Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0518:0002 EzKEY Corp. EZ-9900C Keyboard Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0518 EzKEY Corp. idProduct 0x0002 EZ-9900C Keyboard bcdDevice 1.00 iManufacturer 0 iProduct 1 USB-compliant keyboard iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 59 bNumInterfaces 2 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xa0 (Bus Powered) Remote Wakeup MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 1 Keyboard iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 33 bcdHID 1.10 bCountryCode 0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType 34 Report wDescriptorLength 65 Report Descriptors: ** UNAVAILABLE ** Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes bInterval 10 Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 1 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device bInterfaceSubClass 1 Boot Interface Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 2 Mouse iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 33 bcdHID 1.10 bCountryCode 0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType 34 Report wDescriptorLength 50 Report Descriptors: ** UNAVAILABLE ** Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x82 EP 2 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0003 1x 3 bytes bInterval 10 Device Status: 0x0000 (Bus Powered) Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8150 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8150 Fast Ethernet Adapter Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize0 8 idVendor 0x0bda Realtek Semiconductor Corp. idProduct 0x8150 RTL8150 Fast Ethernet Adapter bcdDevice 1.00 iManufacturer 1 REALTEK iProduct 2 USB 10/100 LAN iSerial 3 9924 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 39 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xa0 (Bus Powered) Remote Wakeup MaxPower 120mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 3 bInterfaceClass 255 Vendor Specific Class bInterfaceSubClass 0 bInterfaceProtocol 255 iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x02 EP 2 OUT bmAttributes 2 Transfer Type Bulk Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0040 1x 64 bytes bInterval 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x83 EP 3 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes bInterval 1 Device Status: 0x0000 (Bus Powered) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Device Descriptor: bLength 18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass 9 Hub bDeviceSubClass 0 Unused bDeviceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub bMaxPacketSize0 64 idVendor 0x1d6b Linux Foundation idProduct 0x0001 1.1 root hub bcdDevice 2.06 iManufacturer 3 Linux 2.6.26-2-486 ohci_hcd iProduct 2 OHCI Host Controller iSerial 1 0000:00:0f.4 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 25 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 0 bmAttributes 0xe0 Self Powered Remote Wakeup MaxPower 0mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber 0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 9 Hub bInterfaceSubClass 0 Unused bInterfaceProtocol 0 Full speed (or root) hub iInterface 0 Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes 3 Transfer Type Interrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0002 1x 2 bytes bInterval 255 Hub Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 41 nNbrPorts 2 wHubCharacteristic 0x0002 No power switching (usb 1.0) Ganged overcurrent protection bPwrOn2PwrGood 1 * 2 milli seconds bHubContrCurrent 0 milli Ampere DeviceRemovable 0x00 PortPwrCtrlMask 0xff Hub Port Status: Port 1: 0000.0103 power enable connect Port 2: 0000.0303 lowspeed power enable connect Device Status: 0x0003 Self Powered Remote Wakeup Enabled > > > I think at GRUB/syslinux prompts, these devices had the same problem so > I ended up setting up a serial console to work on them. > > I guess they don't initialise keyboard input (similar to a PS/2 keyboard > not plugged in at boot time), unless it detects some particular USB > vendor/model/chipset or something. Alas, afaik there's no serial port hardware on the decTop board, so I can't try that. But the kb always works fine in grub, to select kernels from the menu etc, right up until the kernel boots. And it worked fine at every stage with sarge, etch and lenny. It appears to only be broken in squeeze and wheezy, and I've tried it with a number of different generic keyboards and it doesn't appear to vary its behavior with any of those. I've never been able to access any BIOS parameters in the decTop and it's interesting to think that it might be possible to do so with some particular magic keyboard. > Most likely it is a poor USB implementation in the BIOS and/or the > keyboard. For example, the keyboard may be slow to initialise and the > BIOS may not wait very long for USB devices to appear. > > BIOSes also normally communicate with USB keyboards using the simple > 'boot protocol' and not the full HID protocol. The kb appears to have no problem talking to the BIOS or to grub, only when: 1) trying to use the text-mode installer in squeeze or wheezy; 2) talking to cryptsetup early in the boot process after an install of squeeze or wheezy; 3) with the squeeze gtk installer; 4) with the wheezy b4 gtk installer, although the mouse worked in this one case. The kb and mouse both work in the gtk installer, for both squeeze and wheezy, iff the installer is launched from X.org on a running system in which the kb and mouse were working before running the installer, eg. debian-live. the kb and mouse also both work at all times in recent versions of knoppix (6.7, 6.4...) > After booting a 'full' system such as Debian Live, something triggers > the keyboard/mouse to start working. I'm surprised graphical-mode d-i > doesn't do this though. > > So far as USB and HID drivers go, there shouldn't be any difference in > capabilities between a text-mode installer, graphical installer, or the > 'full' system. For a Geode NX we'll even install the same kernel > flavour (486) as is used in the installer itself. > > Although it's always possible we're failing to include a specialised HID > driver that we really need... > > What are the USB vendor and device IDs for the devices that don't work > in the installer? here's lsusb: Bus 002 Device 002: ID 1bcf:0007 Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Optical Mouse Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0518:0002 EzKEY Corp. EZ-9900C Keyboard Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:8150 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8150 Fast Ethernet Adapter Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub > > Ben. > > > [...] pretty much run out of options with linux for these machines and > > am about to try kfreebsd. > > If you do actually try that, please let me know how it goes! I looked into it, but i can't see how I can boot the installer from a USB stick, and I don't have any other way to boot the decTop. Besides, your letters make me hopeful that I'll soon be able to install squeeze or wheezy after all. <:-) > -- > Ben Hutchings > Always try to do things in chronological order; > it's less confusing that way. Thanks, and let me know if I can answer any more questions. Phil -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1357288661.49667.yahoomailclas...@web162901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com