Ron writes ("Bug#682010: #682010 re celt and mumble referred to the TC"): > I don't want to niggle over words here, but "chosen" would imply that > somebody actually exercised some conscious judgement in that decision. > > Which there doesn't really seem to be a whole lot of evidence for. > Nobody from Ubuntu has ever spoken to me or upstream about this, and > the version they are shipping appears to simply have been auto-imported > from Debian with no changes or human intervention. There are open bugs > in launchpad like: > > - LibCelt Package Breaking Apt-Get > - package libcelt0-0 0.7.1-1 failed to install/upgrade:
You are implying that the package does not work in Ubuntu. However I have personally witnessed Ubuntu users using it. You seem to be grasping at straws. > So the only rational conclusion there is that Ubuntu will do whatever > we do - and naturally they will then lag somewhat. If we are to insist > on not changing things until they do, then we're going to be deadlocked > shipping obsolete, unmaintained, code for a long time ... Alternatively we could wait until the new opus codec is widely deployed. Mumble upstream do have a transition plan. I don't think "pull the plug on celt" is a transition plan. > > I'm not convinced by this complaint. The whole point of free software > > is that it is possible to carry on without needing the cooperation or > > involvement of one's upstreams. > > Sure, but in order for that possibility to be real, someone has to > collapse the waveform and step up to do the work. So far nobody has > stepped in to fill Thorvald's shoes. I only stepped up to help with > the packages because I consider him to be a friend (and indeed I also > advocated him to NM because I consider him a prolific and talented > programmer - they aren't easy shoes to fill by a part time dabbler). I have spoken privately to people who are involved in mumble upstream and they seem to be keen to continue. > Given how easy this really is to fix without creating that kind of > exposure, I'm a bit lost for words at the push back it seems to be > getting from some quarters ... Your plan for a "fix" is total incompatibility with other deployed installations. Ian. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org