On Thu, 2014-01-02 at 14:27 -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 09:50:58AM -0700, Bdale Garbee wrote: > > Josselin Mouette <j...@debian.org> writes: > > > > It shouldn’t come as a surprise that it is hard for developers to > > > respect the TC’s decisions when we see disrespectful sentences like the > > > one above from some of its members. > > > I agree. > > > We are of course each entitled to hold opinions about such things, but I > > would strongly prefer if we could all try *very* hard to keep such > > assertions out of TC discussion. They have no place here. > > I recognize that we as TC members have a moral duty to not gratuitously > demotivate Debian contributors. However, the duty to not alienate > contributors is secondary to our duty of defending the technical integrity > of Debian, and so I stand behind that comment and am going to elaborate with > reference to an example so that the other members of the TC, and the GNOME > team, understand exactly where I'm coming from. (The example is from a > question that was referred to the TC in July 2012 - bug #681687 - so it may > ring a bell for some here.)
I fail to see how further digging into this topic is relevant to the discussion at hand. I would however like to state that as a member of the gnome, I've personally repeatedly been very demotivated by these lines of discussions both as part of the TC process and outside. And, again, personally, I simply tend to stay out of public discussion in Debian around gnome/systemd/pulseaudio etc as they tend to filled or at least overshadowed with assumptions of bad faith and mistrust that it takes a disproportionate amount of energy to get to any constructive conclusion if such a conclusion is at all possible. Instead i prefer to spent the little time i have for Debian on constructive things that actually benefit our users. However, again, none of this is relevant for the init system discussion. So if there is a need to continue on this topic in a constructive manner, please feel free to but lets move it out of the TC discussion. -- Sjoerd Simons <sjo...@debian.org> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
