On 29 July 2014 15:30, Olivier Berger <olivier.ber...@telecom-sudparis.eu> wrote:
> Hi. > > Charles Plessy <ple...@debian.org> writes: > > > One reason why bootstrap-vz exists is that broader frameworks such as > > Debian-Installer have more constraints and are harder to learn and > maintain. > > In particular, Debian-Installer does not run as a simple command that > prepares > > a tarball on a user's hard drive; it is a minimal Debian system that runs > > by itself. > > > > But I think that attempts to build larger frameworks than bootstrap-vz > will end > > up re-inventing an installer for Debian. So for a Grand Unification I > > recommend to work on Debian-Installer directly. > > > > With respect to docker (in the context of #746394), I think that the > providing of images should be much lighter than what the Debian > installer usually does. > > AFAIU, docker containers are meant to be very lightweight, compared to > installing on real hardware, and whereas it would be sad to reinvent the > wheels the d-i is already providing, I think that much of its work is to > detect hardware and configure appropriately, which is completely useless > in the context of docker, since there's no hardware emulation, no real > virtual machine, just a chroot-like container (LXC based), at least in > the usual use of docker containers based on LXC running over Linux. > > So bootstrap-vz running debootstrap is probably much of what we need for > a bootstrap-vz Docker provider, I guess (and the devil which is in the > details). > > Hope this makes sense. > > Best regards, > -- > Olivier BERGER <olivier.ber...@it-sudparis.eu> - OpenPGP: 5819D7E8 > Ingénieur Recherche - Dept INF - T&MSP (http://www.it-sudparis.eu) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-cloud-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871tt4z412....@olivierberger.com > > > So bootstrap-vz running debootstrap is probably much of what we need for > a bootstrap-vz Docker provider, I guess (and the devil which is in the details). I agree. Also a note about lightweightness, using --variant=minbase in a little bootstrap-vz test scenario I was to get the base install down to 98MB (this includes networking and all the basics). It would be interesting to see if people know some tricks on how to get that number down even further. Anders
