On Wed, 2014-11-19 at 13:51 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to see an end to open questions on systemd in Jessie. > > So, given that the GR is over and no technical proposals for not > switching init systems on upgrade to Jessie have been made, is it > possible to draw a conclusion to this issue now? I'm not sure there is > much to gain from waiting longer...
Hi Ansgar and especially the ctte members, Now when the GR outome is know it is time for the ctte to resolve the bug report first issued by me in #747535, then issued by Ian in #762194 to the ctte, and then by me to the ctte in #765803. According to the ctte announcement https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00000.html the important parts of that text is: 3. We do not want to prejudge, interfere with, or contradict, the General Resolution process on init systems which is currently ongoing. Some of the GR options imply that automatic switching (both during upgrades, and during leaf package installations) will be necessary in at least some circumstances. The GR is now resolved: No GR required. 4. For the moment, we invite concrete proposals for technical changes which would arrange that 1. new jessie installations using Linux would get systemd but 2. existing installations retain their existing init system so far as possible. Solutions exists or are in the works for solving this. 5. After the result of the General Resolution is known, we intend to formally resolve the question of automatic switching of init systems. Our decision on that question will of course be consistent with the successful General Resolution option, whatever that may be. This issue is not resolved, and since the GR did not give any answer on the above problem, this question now bounces back to the ctte! Now with three less members, down to five :( Or can the resigning members still be part of deciding on this issue? Note also that the bug about automatic switching of init systems was issued in March this year by me, and brought to the ctte in September by Ian and me in October. Ian is/was was in the ctte, but I'm not, so the question about if a ctte member can issue an issue to the ctte, and vote at the same time does not apply in this case. (in case somebody questions the involvement by Ian (as has been done)). Bug #746578 is now resolved by the ctte in https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2014/11/msg00010.html about the order of systemd-shim and systemd-sysv, but the above bugs still have to be resolved by the ctte. So Ansgar, this has to be dragged on for still some while. Thank you for your attention. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org