* Vincent Lefevre <vinc...@vinc17.net> [2015-09-21 18:41:58 CEST]: > On 2015-09-21 18:12:04 +0200, Rhonda D'Vine wrote: > > * Vincent Lefevre <vinc...@vinc17.net> [2015-09-21 17:51:42 CEST]: > > > To make sure that the readers know what I'm talking about, I need > > > to quote the text. Otherwise if the text changes and says something > > > else, this would lead to confusion. > > > > If you quote something, it can change within the next rebuild. The > > confusion is there inherently. > > No, because the reader can check whether what is quoted is different > from the current version. This is impossible if one doesn't quote.
They can check if you have the generic link too, and even better: They could understand it better if the page is translated to their language. It's a win-win situation. :) > > > The page in language A may say something, while the page in language B > > > may say something else. > > > > Then that's a clear bug and needs to get fixed. > > The problem is that the user doesn't know whether language A and > language B say the same thing. It shouldn't be up to the user. But ideally, the page in different languages shouldn't say different things. Like said, this is would be a bug and should get fixed and not even appear in the first place. Using potential bugs as argument for anything is an extremely weak argument, if any. > > > The problem is that I need to do that for *every* page I visit. This > > > is not acceptable. This is even more annoying due to the fact that > > > the anchor is not preserved. > > > > I don't see why you need to do it for *every* page you visit. I can't > > follow. If you need to do it for *every* page you visit you seemingly > > want to change your browser preferences, if *every* page you visit is > > displayed in the wrong language to you. > > I mean every page in the group of pages (manual, etc.). Doesn't change what I wrote, or I still don't get you. > > > > There's no need to "keep" the "current language" for that, or are > > > > you usually quoting more than one page? > > > > > > Yes. > > > > Can you be a bit more verbose on that usecase so I/we can follow? > > I don't remember for things I did in the past (there was the same > problem on other pages). This time I started on > > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/ > > which I could switch to English immediately because I was not sure > yet what to quote. Then I ended up to > > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/server-control > > then to: > > https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities > > but I wished I could have immediately the English version to make sure > I got what I wanted. There are browser plugins for at least firefox and chrome which allow you quickly change the Accept-Language header for such use cases, if you have them more regularly. > BTW, there's a major difference between the French and the English > version. Just reported. Thanks! Only with notifying the translators such things can get improved. :D > > > I expect that for a same group of pages (on the same topic, e.g. a > > > same manual), every page should be available in the chosen language. > > > > That expectation is flawed, unfortunately, because it's simply untrue. > > Then this should be fixed. It can only get fixed with enough people translating and keeping translations current. Are you willing to join the (French) team for that? That would be awesome! > > The pages gets rebuilt only when something changes. They are static. > > There is no cookies or javascript involved, and it is not planned to > > go that road. > > I do not see any problem. The generic URL is used initially, and > once a translation is added, the pages are rebuilt with the URL's > updated. External links should always point to the generic URL, and thus we encourage and use the generic URLs only, for the benefit of the users so that they in the end see their preferred language, not the language the person linking the page speaks. The translation system isn't perfect, but it's the best approach we've found and settled on. Enjoy, Rhonda -- Fühlst du dich mutlos, fass endlich Mut, los | Fühlst du dich hilflos, geh raus und hilf, los | Wir sind Helden Fühlst du dich machtlos, geh raus und mach, los | 23.55: Alles auf Anfang Fühlst du dich haltlos, such Halt und lass los |
