On 2023-02-16 12:34:29 +0100, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> Am Donnerstag, dem 16.02.2023 um 08:41 +0100 schrieb Paul Gevers:
> > Control: tags -1 moreinfo
> > Control: severity -1 normal
> > 
> > Hi Daniel,
> > 
> > On 16-02-2023 01:11, Daniel Leidert wrote:
> > > I ask you to
> > > find a reasonable approach to deal with this for the Bookworm
> > > release.
> > 
> > That's not how we normally work. Please come with concrete proposals and 
> > we can evaluate them.
> 
> Hi Paul. That is the release team's job. Your team should be on top of
> that situation and control that. There is already a freeze in process.
> You made that very clear. New transitions are not allowed. The date has
> passed that re-introductions into Testing are not allowed anymore. And
> people break other packages just like that? It is my expectation that
> your team evaluates the situation together with the maintainer of
> tzdata now, and then comes to a conclusion and a decision, how this
> should be handled. codesearch.d.o proves that multiple packages use
> code that relies on the existence of /etc/timezone. So, its removal
> should have been handled in a coordinated way in the first place.
> Either the maintainer of tzdata does a mass-bug filing, or this change
> should be reverted.

I suggest you file a bug with the package that introduced any
breakage first. I see no such bug against tzdata.

Cheers

> 
> I have already spent two dozen unpaid hours of tracking down and
> handling breakages introduced since February 7th(!!) by fellow DDs. I
> spent multiple dozen hours of bug-fixing and uploading since the new
> year started, to make sure users will get the software they expect in
> Bookworm, also unpaid of course. And now I have to evaluate the impact
> of the change in tzdata as well and create proposals? No. I'm not the
> tzdata maintainer and I'm not a member of the release team. It is your
> job to handle transitions.
> 
> <frustrated>
> And I suggest that you finally do your job and make sure that people
> stop uploading breaking changes, so the work for Bookworm gets less and
> not constantly more.
> </frustrated>
> 
> Daniel
> 

-- 
Sebastian Ramacher

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