Bug#900928: deps

matthias . geiger1024 Thu, 13 Apr 2023 09:09:16 -0700

13. Apr. 2023, 17:39 von jo...@jones.dk:

>
> I appreciate your work on getting dependent Rust crates packaged for
> Debian.
>
thanks.


> Personally I dislike the all-crates-in-one-git approach practiced in the
> Rust team, and since the team has made it a "must" to do so within the
> team I am not in that team at all.
>
that's what I hoped to avoid.

> Please consider using the Debian bugtracker to communicate "intents to
> package" by filing an ITP bugreport for each single upstream project
> that you work on packaging for Debian.  
>
I won't do that for the rust crates (except binary ones) since that is the Rust 
Teams' policy. You choose not to do so. While I agree that a big monorepo  is 
not ideal the updating process is way more streamlined and that much crates 
can't all be maintained each in a seperate repo. That'd be madness.

>
> I don't use the GNOME desktop myself, and do not maintain a range of
> packages tightly related to GNOME, so for me it would be more a burden
> to engage in yet another team with maybe-peculiar-to-me policies.
>
they use a pretty standardized workflow (DEP 14). just a thought. 

> I totally get that.
>
> It pains me that when I ask about your work, you point me to what I
> perceive as a teamwork with little visibility of your efforts in it.
>
well it's always teamwork I guess;  I can claim the GTK update as my efforts. 

> Personally I suspect that some of the pain you have gone through in
> getting those packages in shape is due to the Rust team "streamlining",
> and I fear that the current blocker of bug#1017905 is a sign of that.
>
No. This is (while indirectly caused by me) not an issue imo, rather ftpmasters 
insisting the GTK-rs code generator needs to be shipped. (Note that this was 
fine before for some time) See the linked thread on the bug.


> What I think is best for Debian is that we collaborate more in Debian.
>
Agreed.

>
> In Debian as a whole, not (only) within teams.
>
> I dislike several things in the Rust team, and I suspect that
> bug#1017905 exists because of the Rust team insisting that Debian
> packaging should mimic upstream distribution design.  
>
See above.

> You apparently work in the Rust team.  If it works for you, then great -
> I am not saying you should leave.  But I am saying that I am torn
> between wanting to collaborate and then having strong opinions myself
> that arguably hinders collaboration.
>
I will maintain the GTK stack within the rust team as ITP some more GTK-rs 
stuff. fwiw I continuously commented my progress here and in the 
debcargo-confs' TODO file.

Regards,
Matthias Geiger

Bug#900928: deps

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