Hi, On Sat, 2024-01-06 at 20:39 +0300, Dmitry Shachnev wrote: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 08:14:55PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: > > If anything, only applications should require specific interfaces. > > A library like python3-secretstorage cannot know whether its use is > > essential (in which case dbus should probably be a dependency) or > > totally optional (in which case dbus should be > > suggested/recommended). > > I am confused. In version 3.3.3-2, python3-secretstorage changed > dependency from dbus to default-dbus-session-bus | dbus-session-bus. > > And you filed this bug against the new version, 3.3.3-2. Is that a > mistake? Or the new dependency is still not good?
That doesn't help much unless one takes special care. This is what installing python3-poetry in a Podman container looks like: % podman run --rm -it debian:unstable root@6663e6910965:/# apt update Get:1 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease [198 kB] Get:2 http://deb.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages [9642 kB] Fetched 9840 kB in 2s (5939 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done 39 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. root@6663e6910965:/# apt install python3-poetry Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: adduser adwaita-icon-theme at-spi2-common at-spi2-core binutils binutils-common binutils-x86-64-linux-gnu bsdutils build-essential bzip2 ca-certificates cpp cpp-13 dbus dbus-bin dbus-daemon dbus-session-bus-common dbus-system-bus-common dbus-user-session dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service dirmngr dmsetup dpkg dpkg-dev fakeroot fontconfig fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-mono g++ g++-13 gcc gcc-13 gcr gnome-keyring gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n gnupg-utils gpg gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpg-wks-server gpgconf gpgsm gsettings-desktop-schemas gtk-update-icon-cache hicolor-icon-theme javascript-common krb5-locales libabsl20220623 libalgorithm-diff-perl libalgorithm-diff-xs-perl libalgorithm-merge-perl libaom3 libapparmor1 libargon2-1 libasan8 libassuan0 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatk1.0-0 libatomic1 libatspi2.0-0 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavif16 libbinutils libblkid1 libbrotli1 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python3-poetry python3-poetry-core python3-ptyprocess python3-pylev python3-pyproject-hooks python3-requests python3-requests-toolbelt python3-secretstorage python3-setuptools-whl python3-shellingham python3-shtab python3-six python3-toml python3-tomlkit python3-trove-classifiers python3-urllib3 python3-virtualenv python3-wheel python3-wheel-whl python3-zipp python3.11 python3.11-dev python3.11-minimal readline-common rpcsvc-proto shared-mime-info systemd systemd-dev systemd-sysv systemd-timesyncd x11-common xdg-user-dirs xkb-data xz-utils zlib1g-dev The following packages will be upgraded: bsdutils dpkg libblkid1 libbz2-1.0 libcrypt1 liblzma5 libmount1 libp11-kit0 libsmartcols1 libsystemd0 libudev1 libuuid1 mount perl-base util-linux 15 upgraded, 307 newly installed, 0 to remove and 24 not upgraded. Need to get 178 MB of archives. After this operation, 697 MB of additional disk space will be used. Now try not to install an init system, dbus, ... in a application container wanting to use python3-poetry to install some Python application. And this still doesn't ensure that: 1. dbus is actually running in the context where python3-secretstorage is used, 2. the Dbus interface python3-secretstorage wants to talk to is actually provided by a service (For 2. it doesn't even have a Depends: gnome-keyring | alternatives either which is inconsistent with the dependency on Dbus...) Also it's unknown whether that is actually useful or not (as python3- secretstorage is just a library that could not be relevant at all as the application's user might not actually want to manage secrets via keepassxc). It seems excessive to *always* require all of this to be installed for *any* use of python3-poetry (which can optionally use python3- secretstorage if that is even required). bash doesn't depend on gnome- terminal either just because one needs some terminal to run it in ;-) Ansgar
