Hi! On Sun, 2024-01-14 at 10:22:21 +0100, Paul Gevers wrote: > On 10-01-2024 02:23, Guillem Jover wrote: > > I've had for a while a new hook for dupload that adds a transitions > > check for Debian hosts, for sourceful uploads targeting unstable (to > > avoid disrupting buildd or porter uploads, or uninteresting suites). > > I've just finished polishing it, and the main lingering question I've > > had all along has been whether you think this would actually be useful > > and/or desired at all, see below. > > > > The hook is currently using > > https://release.debian.org/transitions/export/packages.yaml, and > > prompting in case that source package is part of any ongoing > > transition. > > Cool. > > > I wondered also whether checking > > https://ftp-master.debian.org/transitions.yaml would be useful, > > but I'm not sure whether that is or has ever been used? > > It still works, but it's hardly used. I do have some vague ideas to use it > again in the future, but that's not going to happen soon I guess.
Ok, then, I might leave this as a comment reference as a potential future source in case this ever gets used. > > So I guess my questions would be whether you think this is helpful or > > useful at all? > > Yes, I do. Ok, great! :) > > If so, whether the criteria is adequate or it needs to > > be changed? Whether this should be a prompt, or maybe only an info or > > warning? And any other comment or suggestion you might have! > > I'm mostly wondering if the information shown is enough to help people. I'm > actually surprised how many people don't know how transitions work. What is > your opinion on the length of the text you could provide? Maybe a link to a > wiki page with more info particularly for this case? Ah, right, having a longer description and an external reference would actually be in line with other similar notices such as: https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dupload.git/tree/hooks/debian-source-only#n73 https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dupload.git/tree/hooks/debian-security-auth#n23 If you have some proposed wording, I'll gladly incorporate that, otherwise I'll try to come up with something and post it here for review, with a reference to at least: https://release.debian.org/transitions/ and perhaps to: https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/ReleaseTeam/Transitions but it looks like that one is targeted more to maintainers that start or drive the transitions instead of someone that might upload a package which is part or affected by that transition? > Maybe Sebastian can comment on how often he sees interfering uploads to > judge if it should be a warning or a prompt. If you make this only a > warning, what are the options of the uploader, canceling? Hmm, right, just a warning would probably not be very helpful, and if it gets a pause (with no prompt) then in effect that's kind of a prompt anyway as you can always Ctrl-C or similar. So probably a prompt might be the best option, but it's not clear whether that will end up being very annoying. Probably it would need some easy way to disarm it, say an env var or similar, instead of requiring to change the config. > PS: if you're happy with this, should we file wish list bugs against dput > and dput-ng too? I think that would be nice, once the above details are more clear. :) Thanks, Guillem
