Hi!

On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 10:10:14PM +0200, David Kalnischkies wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 02, 2024 at 08:08:35PM +0200, наб wrote:
> > apt build-dep just asked me this in a sid chroot:
> The reading order for the "new" column view is according to its name:
>   111  4    77
>   22   55   888
>   3    666  9
hm. this is atrocious to me. is there a layout option that makes the
text go from left to right instead of top to bottom?
i expect to be reading polish or english
(and, indeed, the UI and package names are english),
so the mongolian layout is, well, baffling

> So:
> > Suggested packages:
> >   autoconf-archive  cargo-doc  gettext-doc       libssl-doc   | 
> > fortran95-compiler  apparmor     libmail-box-perl  libjs-mathjax
> >   gnu-standards     python3    libasprintf-dev   libtool-doc  gcj-jdk       
> >         less         ri                ruby-kramdown-parser-gfm
> >   autoconf-doc      dh-make    libgettextpo-dev  gfortran     m4-doc        
> >         www-browser  ruby-dev          bundler
> gfortan | fortran95-compiler
you cannot in good conscience try to tell me that anyone in their right
mind will EVER read it like this lol

> > Recommended packages:
> >   curl    | lynx       imagemagick  netpbm   libarchive-cpio-perl  
> > libldap-common  publicsuffix      libltdl-dev            zip         
> > fonts-lato
> >   | wget  ghostscript  libpaper1    psutils  javascript-common     libgpm2  
> >        libsasl2-modules  libmail-sendmail-perl  ruby-rouge  rust-llvm
> curl | wget | lynx
> 
> > But what's the recommendations?
> I think the alternatives group might be better of written together and
> then the individual columns separated with ~4 spaces like in the
> future-suggested "oldname => newname" case.
At the very least the groups should form blocks that only break if
they are taller than the row, rather than anywhere. The fortran
thing is indefensible imo.

If you insist on the mongolian order, then having them form an actual
chain, like
  |curl
  |wget
  |lynx
feels much better than the spaced-out
everything-is-two-cells-apart-so-nothing-is-related soup you get now.

> The individual columns could get quiet big given package names can be
> long, but that is a problem for the column display anyhow.
Again, I would like to read the packages in the text order I'm used to,
not in mongolian. This will also instantly clear up any problems that
fall out of an ambiguous spacing because the fallback of "just read it"
will be correct.

Thanks, this was enlightening

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