Dear Niels,

> But at the end of the day, the bootstrap script will need to be fixed 
> and we are discussing when and how long you would need this work
> around for.  

this is not limited to hurd bootstrapping, the way the OR dependency
group is stated doesn't work very well for alternatives inits too;
fixing bootstrap script will not fix things for alternative inits users.

> When the current dependency was added, the conclusion was it would
> solve all the cases because other implementations could add a
> Provides.  

Before you shoot at me because I came late to the party,
I'm maintaining an alternative init system and an alternative dh
addon to create system users that is subjected to a forced removal, and
I wasn't aware of any plan nor involved in tests.

This kind of OR dependency works only for the group that uses
the first option listed[1] (systemd); for other groups it doesn't work
well, I already had a similar issue with one of my packages in the
past [2] and this was the reply from apt maintainer [3].
Also, I believe the provides in this situation only works if it's
listed as first in the OR group, and this is not the case (and is not
going to be).
For detail of the problem please see the attached text where, starting
form a sid deboostrap chroot, with unrelated operations apt proposes to
remove opensysusers even if it's already installed and statisfy the
dependency. And that's not the only problem anyway.

> I am willing to *temporarily* aid you with a work around until you
> can find a more permanent solution.  

I propose the following as permanent solution:

1) change dh_installsysusers as following
  * the dependency added becomes
      "adduser | systemd"
  
  * the injected maintainerscript snippet becomes

    if [ -e /usr/bin/systemd-sysusers ]; then
       systemd-sysusers ${DPKG_ROOT:+--root="$DPKG_ROOT"} foo.conf
    else
       adduser ${DPKG_ROOT:+--root="$DPKG_ROOT"} /path/to/foo.conf
    fi

2) teach adduser to take sysusers.d files as input to create system
users (I still have to ask the adduser maintainer if he's willing to
accept such patch); someting like 
"adduser [--root=path/to/chroot] /path/to/sysuserd/file"

I believe the key is to list first a package that does not conflict with
others systemd-sysusers providers ; that has to be a package
usually installed in all system, so adduser comes to my mind.
The way the injected snipped is changed, there is no need to maintain
nor use provides; the installed systemd-sysusers provider will be used.
In 99% cases that will be systemd, otherwise an alternative provider, if
it's installed. Adduser will be used as fallback in cases where no
provider for systemd-sysusers is found.

will you consider the above solution if I provide a patch for it?
Samuel, would this work for Hurd as a permanent solution?

>    It is cleared with the relevant
>    stakeholders and works with debootstrap, so none of them are going
>    to challenge this change.

who are exactly the relevant stakeholders here?
various bootstrap-tools maintainers? systemd maintainers? Helmut?


Regards,
Lorenzo

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578
[2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23953875
[3] see message #60 in the above link


[setup: ]
[sid chroot created with debootstrap]
[switch to sysvinit-core]
[install opensysusers and elogind]

[ libpam-elogind and opensysusers are removed in favor of systemd even if 
depdendecies are satisfied ]

# apt-get install mate-core
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  accountsservice adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell 
aspell-en at-spi2-common at-spi2-core
  bsdextrautils bubblewrap caja caja-common cpdb-backend-cups cpp cpp-14 
cpp-14-x86-64-linux-gnu cpp-x86-64-linux-gnu
  dbus-user-session dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service 
debian-mate-default-settings desktop-file-utils
  dictionaries-common dirmngr dmsetup docbook-xml dosfstools eject 
emacsen-common enchant-2 exfatprogs fontconfig
  fontconfig-config fonts-cantarell fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core 
fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-dejavu-mono
  fonts-droid-fallback fonts-noto-mono fonts-urw-base35 fuse3 gcr gcr4 
ghostscript gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-matemenu-2.0
  glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring 
gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n
  gnupg-utils gpg gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpgconf gpgsm groff-base 
gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-gl
  gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base 
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x
  gtk-update-icon-cache gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-murrine gtk2-engines-pixbuf 
gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-common gvfs-daemons
  gvfs-fuse gvfs-libs hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us i965-va-driver 
imagemagick-6-common intel-media-va-driver
  iso-codes libaa1 libaacs0 libabsl20230802 libaccountsservice0 libadwaita-1-0 
libaom3 libappstream5 libarchive13t64
  libasound2-data libasound2t64 libaspell15 libass9 libassuan0 libasyncns0 
libatasmart4 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64
  libatk1.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-0t64 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data 
libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libavc1394-0
  libavcodec61 libavfilter10 libavformat61 libavif16 libavtp0 libavutil59 
libbdplus0 libblas3 libblockdev-crypto3
  libblockdev-fs3 libblockdev-loop3 libblockdev-mdraid3 libblockdev-nvme3 
libblockdev-part3 libblockdev-swap3
  libblockdev-utils3 libblockdev3 libbluray2 libbrotli1 libbs2b0 
libbytesize-common libbytesize1 libcaca0
  libcairo-gobject2 libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2 libcaja-extension1 
libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module
  libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64 libcdio19t64 
libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1
  libcloudproviders0 libcodec2-1.2 libcolord2 libcpdb-frontend2t64 libcpdb2t64 
libcryptsetup12 libcups2t64
  libcupsfilters2 libcupsfilters2-common libcurl3t64-gnutls libcurl4t64 
libdatrie1 libdav1d7 libdbus-glib-1-2
  libdc1394-25 libdca0 libdconf1 libde265-0 libdecor-0-0 
libdecor-0-plugin-1-gtk libdeflate0 libdevmapper1.02.1
  libdirectfb-1.7-7t64 libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libdrm-amdgpu1 
libdrm-common libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2
  libdv4t64 libdvdnav4 libdvdread8t64 libdw1t64 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 
libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexempi8
  libexif12 libfaad2 libfftw3-double3 libflac12t64 libflite1 libfluidsynth3 
libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreeaptx0
  libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libfuse3-3 libgail-3-0t64 libgail-common 
libgail18t64 libgav1-1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgck-2-2
  libgcr-4-4 libgcr-base-3-1 libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdata-common libgdata22 
libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin
  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5 libgif7 libgl1 libgl1-mesa-dri 
libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglib2.0-bin libglvnd0
  libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libgme0 libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgomp1 
libgpgme11t64 libgphoto2-6t64 libgphoto2-l10n
  libgphoto2-port12t64 libgpm2 libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3 libgs-common 
libgs10 libgs10-common libgsm1
  libgssdp-1.6-0 libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0
  libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libgtk-4-1 libgtk-4-bin 
libgtk-4-common libgtk-4-media-gstreamer
  libgtk-layer-shell0 libgtk2.0-0t64 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common 
libgtop-2.0-11 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0
  libgupnp-1.6-0 libgupnp-igd-1.6-0 libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b 
libheif-plugin-aomenc
  libheif-plugin-dav1d libheif-plugin-libde265 libheif-plugin-x265 libheif1 
libhunspell-1.7-0 libhwy1t64 libhyphen0
  libice6 libiec61883-0 libigdgmm12 libijs-0.35 libimagequant0 
libimath-3-1-29t64 libimobiledevice-1.0-6
  libimobiledevice-glue-1.0-0 libinstpatch-1.0-2 libisl23 libjack-jackd2-0 
libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0 libjbig0
  libjbig2dec0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-c5 libjson-glib-1.0-0 
libjson-glib-1.0-common libjxl0.9 libjxr-tools libjxr0t64
  libksba8 liblapack3 liblc3-1 liblcms2-2 libldacbt-enc2 libldap-2.5-0 
libldap-common libldb2 liblerc4 liblilv-0-0
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libmagickcore-6.q16-7-extra
  libmagickcore-6.q16-7t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 libmanette-0.2-0 
libmarco-private2 libmate-desktop-2-17t64
  libmate-menu2 libmate-panel-applet-4-1 libmate-slab0t64 
libmate-window-settings1t64 libmatekbd-common libmatekbd4
  libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 libmateweather-common libmateweather1t64 
libmbedcrypto7t64 libmfx1
  libmjpegutils-2.1-0t64 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 libmpc3 libmpcdec6 
libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0t64 libmpfr6 libmpg123-0t64
  libmplex2-2.1-0t64 libmsgraph-0-1 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9t64 
libmysofa1 libncurses6 libneon27t64 libnfs14
  libnghttp2-14 libnghttp3-9 libngtcp2-16 libngtcp2-crypto-gnutls8 libnice10 
libnorm1t64 libnotify4 libnpth0t64 libnspr4
  libnss-systemd libnss3 libntfs-3g89t64 libnuma1 libnvme1t64 libogg0 
libopenal-data libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0
  libopencore-amrwb0 libopenexr-3-1-30 libopenh264-7 libopenjp2-7 
libopenmpt0t64 libopenni2-0 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0t64
  libpam-gnome-keyring libpam-systemd libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 
libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpaper-utils libpaper1
  libparted2t64 libpciaccess0 libpgm-5.3-0t64 libpipeline1 libpipewire-0.3-0t64 
libpipewire-0.3-common libpixman-1-0
  libplacebo349 libplist-2.0-4 libpng16-16t64 libpocketsphinx3 
libpoppler-cpp0t64 libpoppler134 libpostproc58 libproxy1v5
  libpsl5t64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpython3-stdlib 
libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqpdf29t64
  libqrencode4 librabbitmq4 libraptor2-0 libraqm0 librav1e0.7 libraw1394-11 
libraw23t64 librda-common librda0 librist4
  librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common librtmp1 librubberband2 libsamplerate0 libsasl2-2 
libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-db
  libsbc1 libsdl2-2.0-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common libsensors-config 
libsensors5 libserd-0-0 libsharpyuv0 libshine3
  libshout3 libsm6 libsmbclient0 libsnappy1v5 libsndfile1 libsndio7.0 
libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsoundtouch1
  libsoup-2.4-1 libsoup-3.0-0 libsoup-3.0-common libsoup2.4-common libsoxr0 
libspa-0.2-modules libspandsp2t64 libspeex1
  libsphinxbase3t64 libsqlite3-0 libsratom-0-0 libsrt1.5-gnutls libsrtp2-1 
libssh-4 libssh2-1t64 libstartup-notification0
  libstemmer0d libsvtav1enc2 libswresample5 libswscale8 libtag1v5 
libtag1v5-vanilla libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0t64
  libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0 libtiff6 libtwolame0 libuchardet0 
libudfread0 libudisks2-0 libunibreak6 libunwind8
  libusb-1.0-0 libusbmuxd-2.0-7 libv4l-0t64 libv4lconvert0t64 libva-drm2 
libva-x11-2 libva2 libvdpau-va-gl1 libvdpau1
  libvidstab1.1 libvisual-0.4-0 libvo-aacenc0 libvo-amrwbenc0 libvolume-key1 
libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3
  libvpl2 libvpx9 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libvulkan1 libwavpack1 
libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0
  libwayland-egl1 libwayland-server0 libwbclient0 libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0 libwebp7 
libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3
  libwebrtc-audio-processing1 libwildmidi2 libwmflite-0.2-7 libwnck-3-0 
libwnck-3-common libwoff1 libx11-6 libx11-data
  libx11-xcb1 libx264-164 libx265-209 libxau6 libxaw7 libxcb-dri2-0 
libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0
  libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb-util1 
libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xkb1 libxcb1 libxcomposite1
  libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxi6 libxinerama1 
libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1
  libxklavier16 libxmlb2 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxpresent1 libxrandr2 
libxrender1 libxres1 libxshmfence1 libxslt1.1
  libxss1 libxt6t64 libxtst6 libxv1 libxvidcore4 libxxf86vm1 libyajl2 
libyaml-0-2 libyelp0 libyuv0 libz3-4 libzbar0t64
  libzimg2 libzix-0-0 libzmq5 libzvbi-common libzvbi0t64 libzxing3 
linux-sysctl-defaults lsb-release lsof man-db marco
  marco-common mate-control-center mate-control-center-common mate-desktop 
mate-desktop-common
  mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-menus 
mate-notification-daemon mate-notification-daemon-common
  mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-polkit-common 
mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon
  mate-settings-daemon-common mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-themes 
mate-user-guide media-types mesa-va-drivers
  mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers ntfs-3g ocl-icd-libopencl1 p11-kit 
p11-kit-modules parted pinentry-curses
  pinentry-gnome3 pocketsphinx-en-us poppler-data publicsuffix python3 
python3-distro python3-minimal python3.12
  python3.12-minimal samba-libs sgml-data sound-theme-freedesktop systemd 
systemd-cryptsetup systemd-sysv
  systemd-timesyncd timgm6mb-soundfont udev udisks2 usbmuxd va-driver-all 
vdpau-driver-all x11-common x11-xkb-utils
  x11-xserver-utils xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk 
xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils xkb-data yelp
  yelp-xsl zenity zenity-common
Suggested packages:
  gnome-control-center aspell-doc spellutils engrampa gstreamer1.0-tools meld 
cpp-doc gcc-14-locales cpp-14-doc wordlist
  tor docbook docbook-defguide docbook-dsssl docbook-xsl fonts-noto 
fonts-freefont-otf | fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-texgyre
  texlive-binaries gpg-wks-server parcimonie xloadimage scdaemon groff 
frei0r-plugins murrine-themes bluez-obexd pkexec
  samba-common wsdd hunspell openoffice.org-hunspell | openoffice.org-core 
i965-va-driver-shaders isoquery lrzip
  alsa-utils libasound2-plugins libcuda1 libnvcuvid1 libnvidia-encode1 mdadm 
libbluray-bdj libcanberra-pulse colord
  cups-common libdirectfb-extra libdv-bin oss-compat libdvdcss2 
libenchant-2-voikko libfftw3-bin libfftw3-dev libgd-tools
  gphoto2 gpm libvisual-0.4-plugins libheif-plugin-ffmpegdec 
libheif-plugin-jpegdec libheif-plugin-jpegenc
  libheif-plugin-j2kdec libheif-plugin-j2kenc libheif-plugin-kvazaar 
libheif-plugin-rav1e libheif-plugin-svtenc
  libusbmuxd-tools jackd2 liblcms2-utils liblrdf0-dev inkscape libtss2-rc0t64 
nvme-cli libportaudio2 opus-tools
  libparted-dev libparted-i18n pciutils pipewire pulseaudio raptor2-utils 
libraw1394-doc librsvg2-bin
  libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit | libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal 
libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-otp
  libsasl2-modules-sql xdg-utils lm-sensors serdi sndiod sordi speex 
gstreamer1.0-alsa libwildmidi-config apparmor
  www-browser gconf2 mate-desktop-environment opencl-icd parted-doc 
pinentry-doc poppler-utils fonts-japanese-mincho
  | fonts-ipafont-mincho fonts-japanese-gothic | fonts-ipafont-gothic 
fonts-arphic-ukai fonts-arphic-uming fonts-nanum
  python3-doc python3-tk python3-venv python3.12-venv python3.12-doc binutils 
binfmt-support perlsgml w3-recs opensp
  libxml2-utils systemd-container systemd-homed systemd-userdbd systemd-boot 
systemd-resolved systemd-repart
  libtss2-tcti-device0 fluid-soundfont-gm btrfs-progs f2fs-tools nilfs-tools 
reiserfsprogs udftools udisks2-btrfs
  udisks2-lvm2 xfsprogs nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-tesla-440-vdpau-driver 
nvidia-tesla-418-vdpau-driver
  nvidia-legacy-390xx-vdpau-driver nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver nickle 
cairo-5c xorg-docs-core evince
  xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  elogind initscripts insserv libpam-elogind opensysusers 
orphan-sysvinit-scripts startpar sysv-rc sysvinit-core
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  accountsservice adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell 
aspell-en at-spi2-common at-spi2-core
  bsdextrautils bubblewrap caja caja-common cpdb-backend-cups cpp cpp-14 
cpp-14-x86-64-linux-gnu cpp-x86-64-linux-gnu
  dbus-user-session dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service 
debian-mate-default-settings desktop-file-utils
  dictionaries-common dirmngr dmsetup docbook-xml dosfstools eject 
emacsen-common enchant-2 exfatprogs fontconfig
  fontconfig-config fonts-cantarell fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core 
fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-dejavu-mono
  fonts-droid-fallback fonts-noto-mono fonts-urw-base35 fuse3 gcr gcr4 
ghostscript gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-matemenu-2.0
  glib-networking glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring 
gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n
  gnupg-utils gpg gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpgconf gpgsm groff-base 
gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-gl
  gstreamer1.0-libav gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base 
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x
  gtk-update-icon-cache gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-murrine gtk2-engines-pixbuf 
gvfs gvfs-backends gvfs-common gvfs-daemons
  gvfs-fuse gvfs-libs hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us i965-va-driver 
imagemagick-6-common intel-media-va-driver
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libaom3 libappstream5 libarchive13t64
  libasound2-data libasound2t64 libaspell15 libass9 libassuan0 libasyncns0 
libatasmart4 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64
  libatk1.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-0t64 libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data 
libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 libavc1394-0
  libavcodec61 libavfilter10 libavformat61 libavif16 libavtp0 libavutil59 
libbdplus0 libblas3 libblockdev-crypto3
  libblockdev-fs3 libblockdev-loop3 libblockdev-mdraid3 libblockdev-nvme3 
libblockdev-part3 libblockdev-swap3
  libblockdev-utils3 libblockdev3 libbluray2 libbrotli1 libbs2b0 
libbytesize-common libbytesize1 libcaca0
  libcairo-gobject2 libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2 libcaja-extension1 
libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module
  libcanberra0 libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64 libcdio19t64 
libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1
  libcloudproviders0 libcodec2-1.2 libcolord2 libcpdb-frontend2t64 libcpdb2t64 
libcryptsetup12 libcups2t64
  libcupsfilters2 libcupsfilters2-common libcurl3t64-gnutls libcurl4t64 
libdatrie1 libdav1d7 libdbus-glib-1-2
  libdc1394-25 libdca0 libdconf1 libde265-0 libdecor-0-0 
libdecor-0-plugin-1-gtk libdeflate0 libdevmapper1.02.1
  libdirectfb-1.7-7t64 libdjvulibre-text libdjvulibre21 libdrm-amdgpu1 
libdrm-common libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2
  libdv4t64 libdvdnav4 libdvdread8t64 libdw1t64 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 
libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexempi8
  libexif12 libfaad2 libfftw3-double3 libflac12t64 libflite1 libfluidsynth3 
libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreeaptx0
  libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libfuse3-3 libgail-3-0t64 libgail-common 
libgail18t64 libgav1-1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgck-2-2
  libgcr-4-4 libgcr-base-3-1 libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdata-common libgdata22 
libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin
  libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5 libgif7 libgl1 libgl1-mesa-dri 
libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglib2.0-bin libglvnd0
  libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libgme0 libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgomp1 
libgpgme11t64 libgphoto2-6t64 libgphoto2-l10n
  libgphoto2-port12t64 libgpm2 libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3 libgs-common 
libgs10 libgs10-common libgsm1
  libgssdp-1.6-0 libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 
libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0
  libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libgtk-4-1 libgtk-4-bin 
libgtk-4-common libgtk-4-media-gstreamer
  libgtk-layer-shell0 libgtk2.0-0t64 libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common 
libgtop-2.0-11 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0
  libgupnp-1.6-0 libgupnp-igd-1.6-0 libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0 libharfbuzz0b 
libheif-plugin-aomenc
  libheif-plugin-dav1d libheif-plugin-libde265 libheif-plugin-x265 libheif1 
libhunspell-1.7-0 libhwy1t64 libhyphen0
  libice6 libiec61883-0 libigdgmm12 libijs-0.35 libimagequant0 
libimath-3-1-29t64 libimobiledevice-1.0-6
  libimobiledevice-glue-1.0-0 libinstpatch-1.0-2 libisl23 libjack-jackd2-0 
libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0 libjbig0
  libjbig2dec0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-c5 libjson-glib-1.0-0 
libjson-glib-1.0-common libjxl0.9 libjxr-tools libjxr0t64
  libksba8 liblapack3 liblc3-1 liblcms2-2 libldacbt-enc2 libldap-2.5-0 
libldap-common libldb2 liblerc4 liblilv-0-0
  libllvm17t64 liblmdb0 liblqr-1-0 liblrdf0 libltc11 libltdl7 liblzo2-2 
libmagickcore-6.q16-7-extra
  libmagickcore-6.q16-7t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 libmanette-0.2-0 
libmarco-private2 libmate-desktop-2-17t64
  libmate-menu2 libmate-panel-applet-4-1 libmate-slab0t64 
libmate-window-settings1t64 libmatekbd-common libmatekbd4
  libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 libmateweather-common libmateweather1t64 
libmbedcrypto7t64 libmfx1
  libmjpegutils-2.1-0t64 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 libmpc3 libmpcdec6 
libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0t64 libmpfr6 libmpg123-0t64
  libmplex2-2.1-0t64 libmsgraph-0-1 libmtp-common libmtp-runtime libmtp9t64 
libmysofa1 libncurses6 libneon27t64 libnfs14
  libnghttp2-14 libnghttp3-9 libngtcp2-16 libngtcp2-crypto-gnutls8 libnice10 
libnorm1t64 libnotify4 libnpth0t64 libnspr4
  libnss-systemd libnss3 libntfs-3g89t64 libnuma1 libnvme1t64 libogg0 
libopenal-data libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0
  libopencore-amrwb0 libopenexr-3-1-30 libopenh264-7 libopenjp2-7 
libopenmpt0t64 libopenni2-0 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0t64
  libpam-gnome-keyring libpam-systemd libpango-1.0-0 libpangocairo-1.0-0 
libpangoft2-1.0-0 libpaper-utils libpaper1
  libparted2t64 libpciaccess0 libpgm-5.3-0t64 libpipeline1 libpipewire-0.3-0t64 
libpipewire-0.3-common libpixman-1-0
  libplacebo349 libplist-2.0-4 libpng16-16t64 libpocketsphinx3 
libpoppler-cpp0t64 libpoppler134 libpostproc58 libproxy1v5
  libpsl5t64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 libpulse0 libpython3-stdlib 
libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqpdf29t64
  libqrencode4 librabbitmq4 libraptor2-0 libraqm0 librav1e0.7 libraw1394-11 
libraw23t64 librda-common librda0 librist4
  librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common librtmp1 librubberband2 libsamplerate0 libsasl2-2 
libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-db
  libsbc1 libsdl2-2.0-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common libsensors-config 
libsensors5 libserd-0-0 libsharpyuv0 libshine3
  libshout3 libsm6 libsmbclient0 libsnappy1v5 libsndfile1 libsndio7.0 
libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsoundtouch1
  libsoup-2.4-1 libsoup-3.0-0 libsoup-3.0-common libsoup2.4-common libsoxr0 
libspa-0.2-modules libspandsp2t64 libspeex1
  libsphinxbase3t64 libsqlite3-0 libsratom-0-0 libsrt1.5-gnutls libsrtp2-1 
libssh-4 libssh2-1t64 libstartup-notification0
  libstemmer0d libsvtav1enc2 libswresample5 libswscale8 libtag1v5 
libtag1v5-vanilla libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0t64
  libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0 libtiff6 libtwolame0 libuchardet0 
libudfread0 libudisks2-0 libunibreak6 libunwind8
  libusb-1.0-0 libusbmuxd-2.0-7 libv4l-0t64 libv4lconvert0t64 libva-drm2 
libva-x11-2 libva2 libvdpau-va-gl1 libvdpau1
  libvidstab1.1 libvisual-0.4-0 libvo-aacenc0 libvo-amrwbenc0 libvolume-key1 
libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3
  libvpl2 libvpx9 libvte-2.91-0 libvte-2.91-common libvulkan1 libwavpack1 
libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0
  libwayland-egl1 libwayland-server0 libwbclient0 libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0 libwebp7 
libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3
  libwebrtc-audio-processing1 libwildmidi2 libwmflite-0.2-7 libwnck-3-0 
libwnck-3-common libwoff1 libx11-6 libx11-data
  libx11-xcb1 libx264-164 libx265-209 libxau6 libxaw7 libxcb-dri2-0 
libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0
  libxcb-randr0 libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1 libxcb-util1 
libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xkb1 libxcb1 libxcomposite1
  libxcursor1 libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxi6 libxinerama1 
libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1
  libxklavier16 libxmlb2 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4 libxpresent1 libxrandr2 
libxrender1 libxres1 libxshmfence1 libxslt1.1
  libxss1 libxt6t64 libxtst6 libxv1 libxvidcore4 libxxf86vm1 libyajl2 
libyaml-0-2 libyelp0 libyuv0 libz3-4 libzbar0t64
  libzimg2 libzix-0-0 libzmq5 libzvbi-common libzvbi0t64 libzxing3 
linux-sysctl-defaults lsb-release lsof man-db marco
  marco-common mate-control-center mate-control-center-common mate-core 
mate-desktop mate-desktop-common
  mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-menus 
mate-notification-daemon mate-notification-daemon-common
  mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-polkit-common 
mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon
  mate-settings-daemon-common mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-themes 
mate-user-guide media-types mesa-va-drivers
  mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers ntfs-3g ocl-icd-libopencl1 p11-kit 
p11-kit-modules parted pinentry-curses
  pinentry-gnome3 pocketsphinx-en-us poppler-data publicsuffix python3 
python3-distro python3-minimal python3.12
  python3.12-minimal samba-libs sgml-data sound-theme-freedesktop systemd 
systemd-cryptsetup systemd-sysv
  systemd-timesyncd timgm6mb-soundfont udisks2 usbmuxd va-driver-all 
vdpau-driver-all x11-common x11-xkb-utils
  x11-xserver-utils xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk 
xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils xkb-data yelp
  yelp-xsl zenity zenity-common
The following packages will be upgraded:
  udev
1 upgraded, 636 newly installed, 9 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 391 MB/396 MB of archives.
After this operation, 1585 MB of additional disk space will be used.
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[more fun if you give apt a hint, but not enough specific; it might not 
obviuos, but here it switches to openrc]
[still removes opensysusers for no reason]


root@toshlo:/# apt-get install mate-core elogind
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
elogind is already the newest version (255.5-1debian3).
The following additional packages will be installed:
  accountsservice adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell 
aspell-en at-spi2-common at-spi2-core
  bsdextrautils bubblewrap caja caja-common cpdb-backend-cups cpp cpp-14 
cpp-14-x86-64-linux-gnu cpp-x86-64-linux-gnu
  dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service debian-mate-default-settings 
desktop-file-utils dictionaries-common
  dirmngr dmsetup docbook-xml dosfstools eject emacsen-common enchant-2 
exfatprogs fontconfig fontconfig-config
  fonts-cantarell fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra 
fonts-dejavu-mono fonts-droid-fallback
  fonts-noto-mono fonts-urw-base35 fuse3 gcr gcr4 ghostscript gir1.2-glib-2.0 
gir1.2-matemenu-2.0 glib-networking
  glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring 
gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n gnupg-utils gpg
  gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpgconf gpgsm groff-base gsettings-desktop-schemas 
gstreamer1.0-gl gstreamer1.0-libav
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good 
gstreamer1.0-x gtk-update-icon-cache
  gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-murrine gtk2-engines-pixbuf gvfs gvfs-backends 
gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse gvfs-libs
  hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us i965-va-driver imagemagick-6-common 
intel-media-va-driver iso-codes libaa1 libaacs0
  libabsl20230802 libaccountsservice0 libadwaita-1-0 libaom3 libappstream5 
libarchive13t64 libasound2-data libasound2t64
  libaspell15 libass9 libassuan0 libasyncns0 libatasmart4 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64 
libatk1.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-0t64
  libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 
libavc1394-0 libavcodec61 libavfilter10
  libavformat61 libavif16 libavtp0 libavutil59 libbdplus0 libblas3 
libblockdev-crypto3 libblockdev-fs3 libblockdev-loop3
  libblockdev-mdraid3 libblockdev-nvme3 libblockdev-part3 libblockdev-swap3 
libblockdev-utils3 libblockdev3 libbluray2
  libbrotli1 libbs2b0 libbytesize-common libbytesize1 libcaca0 
libcairo-gobject2 libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2
  libcaja-extension1 libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module libcanberra0 
libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64
  libcdio19t64 libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1 libcloudproviders0 
libcodec2-1.2 libcolord2 libcpdb-frontend2t64
  libcpdb2t64 libcryptsetup12 libcups2t64 libcupsfilters2 
libcupsfilters2-common libcurl3t64-gnutls libcurl4t64
  libdatrie1 libdav1d7 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdc1394-25 libdca0 libdconf1 
libde265-0 libdecor-0-0 libdecor-0-plugin-1-gtk
  libdeflate0 libdevmapper1.02.1 libdirectfb-1.7-7t64 libdjvulibre-text 
libdjvulibre21 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-common
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libdv4t64 libdvdnav4 libdvdread8t64 
libdw1t64 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 libeinfo1
  libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexempi8 libexif12 libfaad2 
libfftw3-double3 libflac12t64 libflite1 libfluidsynth3
  libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreeaptx0 libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libfuse3-3 
libgail-3-0t64 libgail-common libgail18t64
  libgav1-1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgck-2-2 libgcr-4-4 libgcr-base-3-1 
libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdata-common libgdata22
  libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5 
libgif7 libgl1 libgl1-mesa-dri
  libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglib2.0-bin libglvnd0 libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libgme0 
libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgomp1
  libgpgme11t64 libgphoto2-6t64 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port12t64 libgpm2 
libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3
  libgs-common libgs10 libgs10-common libgsm1 libgssdp-1.6-0 
libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
  libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk-3-bin 
libgtk-3-common libgtk-4-1 libgtk-4-bin
  libgtk-4-common libgtk-4-media-gstreamer libgtk-layer-shell0 libgtk2.0-0t64 
libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common
  libgtop-2.0-11 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0 libgupnp-1.6-0 
libgupnp-igd-1.6-0 libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0
  libharfbuzz0b libheif-plugin-aomenc libheif-plugin-dav1d 
libheif-plugin-libde265 libheif-plugin-x265 libheif1
  libhunspell-1.7-0 libhwy1t64 libhyphen0 libice6 libiec61883-0 libigdgmm12 
libijs-0.35 libimagequant0 libimath-3-1-29t64
  libimobiledevice-1.0-6 libimobiledevice-glue-1.0-0 libinstpatch-1.0-2 
libisl23 libjack-jackd2-0
  libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0 libjbig0 libjbig2dec0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-c5 
libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common
  libjxl0.9 libjxr-tools libjxr0t64 libksba8 liblapack3 liblc3-1 liblcms2-2 
libldacbt-enc2 libldap-2.5-0 libldap-common
  libldb2 liblerc4 liblilv-0-0 libllvm17t64 liblmdb0 liblqr-1-0 liblrdf0 
libltc11 libltdl7 liblzo2-2
  libmagickcore-6.q16-7-extra libmagickcore-6.q16-7t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 
libmanette-0.2-0 libmarco-private2
  libmate-desktop-2-17t64 libmate-menu2 libmate-panel-applet-4-1 
libmate-slab0t64 libmate-window-settings1t64
  libmatekbd-common libmatekbd4 libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 
libmateweather-common libmateweather1t64
  libmbedcrypto7t64 libmfx1 libmjpegutils-2.1-0t64 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 
libmpc3 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0t64
  libmpfr6 libmpg123-0t64 libmplex2-2.1-0t64 libmsgraph-0-1 libmtp-common 
libmtp-runtime libmtp9t64 libmysofa1
  libncurses6 libneon27t64 libnfs14 libnghttp2-14 libnghttp3-9 libngtcp2-16 
libngtcp2-crypto-gnutls8 libnice10
  libnorm1t64 libnotify4 libnpth0t64 libnspr4 libnss3 libntfs-3g89t64 libnuma1 
libnvme1t64 libogg0 libopenal-data
  libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libopenexr-3-1-30 
libopenh264-7 libopenjp2-7 libopenmpt0t64
  libopenni2-0 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0t64 libpam-gnome-keyring libpango-1.0-0 
libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
  libpaper-utils libpaper1 libparted2t64 libpciaccess0 libpgm-5.3-0t64 
libpipeline1 libpipewire-0.3-0t64
  libpipewire-0.3-common libpixman-1-0 libplacebo349 libplist-2.0-4 
libpng16-16t64 libpocketsphinx3 libpoppler-cpp0t64
  libpoppler134 libpostproc58 libproxy1v5 libpsl5t64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 
libpulse0 libpython3-stdlib
  libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqpdf29t64 libqrencode4 
librabbitmq4 libraptor2-0 libraqm0 librav1e0.7
  libraw1394-11 libraw23t64 librc1t64 librda-common librda0 librist4 librsvg2-2 
librsvg2-common librtmp1 librubberband2
  libsamplerate0 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-db libsbc1 
libsdl2-2.0-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common
  libsensors-config libsensors5 libserd-0-0 libsharpyuv0 libshine3 libshout3 
libsm6 libsmbclient0 libsnappy1v5
  libsndfile1 libsndio7.0 libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsoundtouch1 libsoup-2.4-1 
libsoup-3.0-0 libsoup-3.0-common
  libsoup2.4-common libsoxr0 libspa-0.2-modules libspandsp2t64 libspeex1 
libsphinxbase3t64 libsqlite3-0 libsratom-0-0
  libsrt1.5-gnutls libsrtp2-1 libssh-4 libssh2-1t64 libstartup-notification0 
libstemmer0d libsvtav1enc2 libswresample5
  libswscale8 libtag1v5 libtag1v5-vanilla libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0t64 
libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0 libtiff6
  libtwolame0 libuchardet0 libudfread0 libudisks2-0 libunibreak6 libunwind8 
libusb-1.0-0 libusbmuxd-2.0-7 libv4l-0t64
  libv4lconvert0t64 libva-drm2 libva-x11-2 libva2 libvdpau-va-gl1 libvdpau1 
libvidstab1.1 libvisual-0.4-0 libvo-aacenc0
  libvo-amrwbenc0 libvolume-key1 libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 
libvpl2 libvpx9 libvte-2.91-0
  libvte-2.91-common libvulkan1 libwavpack1 libwayland-client0 
libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-egl1 libwayland-server0
  libwbclient0 libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0 libwebp7 libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3 
libwebrtc-audio-processing1 libwildmidi2
  libwmflite-0.2-7 libwnck-3-0 libwnck-3-common libwoff1 libx11-6 libx11-data 
libx11-xcb1 libx264-164 libx265-209 libxau6
  libxaw7 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-randr0 
libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1
  libxcb-util1 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xkb1 libxcb1 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 
libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3
  libxi6 libxinerama1 libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1 
libxklavier16 libxmlb2 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4
  libxpresent1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxres1 libxshmfence1 libxslt1.1 libxss1 
libxt6t64 libxtst6 libxv1 libxvidcore4
  libxxf86vm1 libyajl2 libyaml-0-2 libyelp0 libyuv0 libz3-4 libzbar0t64 
libzimg2 libzix-0-0 libzmq5 libzvbi-common
  libzvbi0t64 libzxing3 linux-sysctl-defaults lsb-release lsof man-db marco 
marco-common mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-desktop mate-desktop-common 
mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-menus
  mate-notification-daemon mate-notification-daemon-common mate-panel 
mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-polkit-common
  mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common 
mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-themes
  mate-user-guide media-types mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers 
mesa-vulkan-drivers ntfs-3g ocl-icd-libopencl1 openrc
  p11-kit p11-kit-modules parted pinentry-curses pinentry-gnome3 
pocketsphinx-en-us poppler-data publicsuffix python3
  python3-distro python3-minimal python3.12 python3.12-minimal samba-libs 
sgml-data sound-theme-freedesktop
  timgm6mb-soundfont udisks2 usbmuxd va-driver-all vdpau-driver-all x11-common 
x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils
  xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk xfonts-encodings 
xfonts-utils xkb-data yelp yelp-xsl zenity
  zenity-common
Suggested packages:
  gnome-control-center aspell-doc spellutils engrampa gstreamer1.0-tools meld 
cpp-doc gcc-14-locales cpp-14-doc wordlist
  dbus-user-session libpam-systemd tor docbook docbook-defguide docbook-dsssl 
docbook-xsl fonts-noto fonts-freefont-otf
  | fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-texgyre texlive-binaries gpg-wks-server parcimonie 
xloadimage scdaemon groff frei0r-plugins
  murrine-themes bluez-obexd pkexec samba-common wsdd hunspell 
openoffice.org-hunspell | openoffice.org-core
  i965-va-driver-shaders isoquery lrzip alsa-utils libasound2-plugins libcuda1 
libnvcuvid1 libnvidia-encode1 mdadm
  libbluray-bdj libcanberra-pulse colord cups-common libdirectfb-extra 
libdv-bin oss-compat libdvdcss2
  libenchant-2-voikko libfftw3-bin libfftw3-dev libgd-tools gphoto2 gpm 
libvisual-0.4-plugins libheif-plugin-ffmpegdec
  libheif-plugin-jpegdec libheif-plugin-jpegenc libheif-plugin-j2kdec 
libheif-plugin-j2kenc libheif-plugin-kvazaar
  libheif-plugin-rav1e libheif-plugin-svtenc libusbmuxd-tools jackd2 
liblcms2-utils liblrdf0-dev inkscape nvme-cli
  libportaudio2 opus-tools libparted-dev libparted-i18n pciutils pipewire 
pulseaudio raptor2-utils libraw1394-doc
  librsvg2-bin libsasl2-modules-gssapi-mit | libsasl2-modules-gssapi-heimdal 
libsasl2-modules-ldap libsasl2-modules-otp
  libsasl2-modules-sql xdg-utils lm-sensors serdi sndiod sordi speex 
gstreamer1.0-alsa libwildmidi-config apparmor
  www-browser gconf2 mate-desktop-environment opencl-icd policycoreutils 
parted-doc pinentry-doc poppler-utils
  fonts-japanese-mincho | fonts-ipafont-mincho fonts-japanese-gothic | 
fonts-ipafont-gothic fonts-arphic-ukai
  fonts-arphic-uming fonts-nanum python3-doc python3-tk python3-venv 
python3.12-venv python3.12-doc binutils
  binfmt-support perlsgml w3-recs opensp libxml2-utils fluid-soundfont-gm 
btrfs-progs f2fs-tools nilfs-tools
  reiserfsprogs udftools udisks2-btrfs udisks2-lvm2 xfsprogs 
nvidia-vdpau-driver nvidia-tesla-440-vdpau-driver
  nvidia-tesla-418-vdpau-driver nvidia-legacy-390xx-vdpau-driver 
nvidia-legacy-340xx-vdpau-driver nickle cairo-5c
  xorg-docs-core evince xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
Recommended packages:
  dbus-user-session libpam-systemd
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  opensysusers orphan-sysvinit-scripts startpar sysv-rc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  accountsservice adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell 
aspell-en at-spi2-common at-spi2-core
  bsdextrautils bubblewrap caja caja-common cpdb-backend-cups cpp cpp-14 
cpp-14-x86-64-linux-gnu cpp-x86-64-linux-gnu
  dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service debian-mate-default-settings 
desktop-file-utils dictionaries-common
  dirmngr dmsetup docbook-xml dosfstools eject emacsen-common enchant-2 
exfatprogs fontconfig fontconfig-config
  fonts-cantarell fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra 
fonts-dejavu-mono fonts-droid-fallback
  fonts-noto-mono fonts-urw-base35 fuse3 gcr gcr4 ghostscript gir1.2-glib-2.0 
gir1.2-matemenu-2.0 glib-networking
  glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring 
gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n gnupg-utils gpg
  gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpgconf gpgsm groff-base gsettings-desktop-schemas 
gstreamer1.0-gl gstreamer1.0-libav
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good 
gstreamer1.0-x gtk-update-icon-cache
  gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-murrine gtk2-engines-pixbuf gvfs gvfs-backends 
gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse gvfs-libs
  hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us i965-va-driver imagemagick-6-common 
intel-media-va-driver iso-codes libaa1 libaacs0
  libabsl20230802 libaccountsservice0 libadwaita-1-0 libaom3 libappstream5 
libarchive13t64 libasound2-data libasound2t64
  libaspell15 libass9 libassuan0 libasyncns0 libatasmart4 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64 
libatk1.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-0t64
  libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 
libavc1394-0 libavcodec61 libavfilter10
  libavformat61 libavif16 libavtp0 libavutil59 libbdplus0 libblas3 
libblockdev-crypto3 libblockdev-fs3 libblockdev-loop3
  libblockdev-mdraid3 libblockdev-nvme3 libblockdev-part3 libblockdev-swap3 
libblockdev-utils3 libblockdev3 libbluray2
  libbrotli1 libbs2b0 libbytesize-common libbytesize1 libcaca0 
libcairo-gobject2 libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2
  libcaja-extension1 libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module libcanberra0 
libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64
  libcdio19t64 libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1 libcloudproviders0 
libcodec2-1.2 libcolord2 libcpdb-frontend2t64
  libcpdb2t64 libcryptsetup12 libcups2t64 libcupsfilters2 
libcupsfilters2-common libcurl3t64-gnutls libcurl4t64
  libdatrie1 libdav1d7 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdc1394-25 libdca0 libdconf1 
libde265-0 libdecor-0-0 libdecor-0-plugin-1-gtk
  libdeflate0 libdevmapper1.02.1 libdirectfb-1.7-7t64 libdjvulibre-text 
libdjvulibre21 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-common
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libdv4t64 libdvdnav4 libdvdread8t64 
libdw1t64 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 libeinfo1
  libenchant-2-2 libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexempi8 libexif12 libfaad2 
libfftw3-double3 libflac12t64 libflite1 libfluidsynth3
  libfontconfig1 libfontenc1 libfreeaptx0 libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libfuse3-3 
libgail-3-0t64 libgail-common libgail18t64
  libgav1-1 libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgck-2-2 libgcr-4-4 libgcr-base-3-1 
libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 libgdata-common libgdata22
  libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5 
libgif7 libgl1 libgl1-mesa-dri
  libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglib2.0-bin libglvnd0 libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libgme0 
libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgomp1
  libgpgme11t64 libgphoto2-6t64 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port12t64 libgpm2 
libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3
  libgs-common libgs10 libgs10-common libgsm1 libgssdp-1.6-0 
libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
  libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk-3-bin 
libgtk-3-common libgtk-4-1 libgtk-4-bin
  libgtk-4-common libgtk-4-media-gstreamer libgtk-layer-shell0 libgtk2.0-0t64 
libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common
  libgtop-2.0-11 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0 libgupnp-1.6-0 
libgupnp-igd-1.6-0 libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0
  libharfbuzz0b libheif-plugin-aomenc libheif-plugin-dav1d 
libheif-plugin-libde265 libheif-plugin-x265 libheif1
  libhunspell-1.7-0 libhwy1t64 libhyphen0 libice6 libiec61883-0 libigdgmm12 
libijs-0.35 libimagequant0 libimath-3-1-29t64
  libimobiledevice-1.0-6 libimobiledevice-glue-1.0-0 libinstpatch-1.0-2 
libisl23 libjack-jackd2-0
  libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0 libjbig0 libjbig2dec0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-c5 
libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common
  libjxl0.9 libjxr-tools libjxr0t64 libksba8 liblapack3 liblc3-1 liblcms2-2 
libldacbt-enc2 libldap-2.5-0 libldap-common
  libldb2 liblerc4 liblilv-0-0 libllvm17t64 liblmdb0 liblqr-1-0 liblrdf0 
libltc11 libltdl7 liblzo2-2
  libmagickcore-6.q16-7-extra libmagickcore-6.q16-7t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 
libmanette-0.2-0 libmarco-private2
  libmate-desktop-2-17t64 libmate-menu2 libmate-panel-applet-4-1 
libmate-slab0t64 libmate-window-settings1t64
  libmatekbd-common libmatekbd4 libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 
libmateweather-common libmateweather1t64
  libmbedcrypto7t64 libmfx1 libmjpegutils-2.1-0t64 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 
libmpc3 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0t64
  libmpfr6 libmpg123-0t64 libmplex2-2.1-0t64 libmsgraph-0-1 libmtp-common 
libmtp-runtime libmtp9t64 libmysofa1
  libncurses6 libneon27t64 libnfs14 libnghttp2-14 libnghttp3-9 libngtcp2-16 
libngtcp2-crypto-gnutls8 libnice10
  libnorm1t64 libnotify4 libnpth0t64 libnspr4 libnss3 libntfs-3g89t64 libnuma1 
libnvme1t64 libogg0 libopenal-data
  libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libopenexr-3-1-30 
libopenh264-7 libopenjp2-7 libopenmpt0t64
  libopenni2-0 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0t64 libpam-gnome-keyring libpango-1.0-0 
libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
  libpaper-utils libpaper1 libparted2t64 libpciaccess0 libpgm-5.3-0t64 
libpipeline1 libpipewire-0.3-0t64
  libpipewire-0.3-common libpixman-1-0 libplacebo349 libplist-2.0-4 
libpng16-16t64 libpocketsphinx3 libpoppler-cpp0t64
  libpoppler134 libpostproc58 libproxy1v5 libpsl5t64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 
libpulse0 libpython3-stdlib
  libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqpdf29t64 libqrencode4 
librabbitmq4 libraptor2-0 libraqm0 librav1e0.7
  libraw1394-11 libraw23t64 librc1t64 librda-common librda0 librist4 librsvg2-2 
librsvg2-common librtmp1 librubberband2
  libsamplerate0 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-db libsbc1 
libsdl2-2.0-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common
  libsensors-config libsensors5 libserd-0-0 libsharpyuv0 libshine3 libshout3 
libsm6 libsmbclient0 libsnappy1v5
  libsndfile1 libsndio7.0 libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsoundtouch1 libsoup-2.4-1 
libsoup-3.0-0 libsoup-3.0-common
  libsoup2.4-common libsoxr0 libspa-0.2-modules libspandsp2t64 libspeex1 
libsphinxbase3t64 libsqlite3-0 libsratom-0-0
  libsrt1.5-gnutls libsrtp2-1 libssh-4 libssh2-1t64 libstartup-notification0 
libstemmer0d libsvtav1enc2 libswresample5
  libswscale8 libtag1v5 libtag1v5-vanilla libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0t64 
libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0 libtiff6
  libtwolame0 libuchardet0 libudfread0 libudisks2-0 libunibreak6 libunwind8 
libusb-1.0-0 libusbmuxd-2.0-7 libv4l-0t64
  libv4lconvert0t64 libva-drm2 libva-x11-2 libva2 libvdpau-va-gl1 libvdpau1 
libvidstab1.1 libvisual-0.4-0 libvo-aacenc0
  libvo-amrwbenc0 libvolume-key1 libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 
libvpl2 libvpx9 libvte-2.91-0
  libvte-2.91-common libvulkan1 libwavpack1 libwayland-client0 
libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-egl1 libwayland-server0
  libwbclient0 libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0 libwebp7 libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3 
libwebrtc-audio-processing1 libwildmidi2
  libwmflite-0.2-7 libwnck-3-0 libwnck-3-common libwoff1 libx11-6 libx11-data 
libx11-xcb1 libx264-164 libx265-209 libxau6
  libxaw7 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-randr0 
libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1
  libxcb-util1 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xkb1 libxcb1 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 
libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3
  libxi6 libxinerama1 libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1 
libxklavier16 libxmlb2 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4
  libxpresent1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxres1 libxshmfence1 libxslt1.1 libxss1 
libxt6t64 libxtst6 libxv1 libxvidcore4
  libxxf86vm1 libyajl2 libyaml-0-2 libyelp0 libyuv0 libz3-4 libzbar0t64 
libzimg2 libzix-0-0 libzmq5 libzvbi-common
  libzvbi0t64 libzxing3 linux-sysctl-defaults lsb-release lsof man-db marco 
marco-common mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-core mate-desktop mate-desktop-common 
mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme
  mate-menus mate-notification-daemon mate-notification-daemon-common 
mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit
  mate-polkit-common mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon 
mate-settings-daemon-common mate-terminal
  mate-terminal-common mate-themes mate-user-guide media-types mesa-va-drivers 
mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers
  ntfs-3g ocl-icd-libopencl1 openrc p11-kit p11-kit-modules parted 
pinentry-curses pinentry-gnome3 pocketsphinx-en-us
  poppler-data publicsuffix python3 python3-distro python3-minimal python3.12 
python3.12-minimal samba-libs sgml-data
  sound-theme-freedesktop timgm6mb-soundfont udisks2 usbmuxd va-driver-all 
vdpau-driver-all x11-common x11-xkb-utils
  x11-xserver-utils xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk 
xfonts-encodings xfonts-utils xkb-data yelp
  yelp-xsl zenity zenity-common
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[another attempt, extra hints to apt]
[still removes opensysusers..]

# apt-get install mate-core libpam-elogind sysv-rc
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
libpam-elogind is already the newest version (255.5-1debian3).
libpam-elogind set to manually installed.
sysv-rc is already the newest version (3.10-1).
sysv-rc set to manually installed.
The following additional packages will be installed:
  accountsservice adwaita-icon-theme alsa-topology-conf alsa-ucm-conf aspell 
aspell-en at-spi2-common at-spi2-core
  bsdextrautils bubblewrap caja caja-common cpdb-backend-cups cpp cpp-14 
cpp-14-x86-64-linux-gnu cpp-x86-64-linux-gnu
  dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service debian-mate-default-settings 
desktop-file-utils dictionaries-common
  dirmngr dmsetup docbook-xml dosfstools eject emacsen-common enchant-2 
exfatprogs fontconfig fontconfig-config
  fonts-cantarell fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra 
fonts-dejavu-mono fonts-droid-fallback
  fonts-noto-mono fonts-urw-base35 fuse3 gcr gcr4 ghostscript gir1.2-glib-2.0 
gir1.2-matemenu-2.0 glib-networking
  glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring 
gnome-keyring-pkcs11 gnupg gnupg-l10n gnupg-utils gpg
  gpg-agent gpg-wks-client gpgconf gpgsm groff-base gsettings-desktop-schemas 
gstreamer1.0-gl gstreamer1.0-libav
  gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-base gstreamer1.0-plugins-good 
gstreamer1.0-x gtk-update-icon-cache
  gtk2-engines gtk2-engines-murrine gtk2-engines-pixbuf gvfs gvfs-backends 
gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-fuse gvfs-libs
  hicolor-icon-theme hunspell-en-us i965-va-driver imagemagick-6-common 
intel-media-va-driver iso-codes libaa1 libaacs0
  libabsl20230802 libaccountsservice0 libadwaita-1-0 libaom3 libappstream5 
libarchive13t64 libasound2-data libasound2t64
  libaspell15 libass9 libassuan0 libasyncns0 libatasmart4 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64 
libatk1.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-0t64
  libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libavahi-glib1 
libavc1394-0 libavcodec61 libavfilter10
  libavformat61 libavif16 libavtp0 libavutil59 libbdplus0 libblas3 
libblockdev-crypto3 libblockdev-fs3 libblockdev-loop3
  libblockdev-mdraid3 libblockdev-nvme3 libblockdev-part3 libblockdev-swap3 
libblockdev-utils3 libblockdev3 libbluray2
  libbrotli1 libbs2b0 libbytesize-common libbytesize1 libcaca0 
libcairo-gobject2 libcairo-script-interpreter2 libcairo2
  libcaja-extension1 libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module libcanberra0 
libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64
  libcdio19t64 libcdparanoia0 libchromaprint1 libcjson1 libcloudproviders0 
libcodec2-1.2 libcolord2 libcpdb-frontend2t64
  libcpdb2t64 libcryptsetup12 libcups2t64 libcupsfilters2 
libcupsfilters2-common libcurl3t64-gnutls libcurl4t64
  libdatrie1 libdav1d7 libdbus-glib-1-2 libdc1394-25 libdca0 libdconf1 
libde265-0 libdecor-0-0 libdecor-0-plugin-1-gtk
  libdeflate0 libdevmapper1.02.1 libdirectfb-1.7-7t64 libdjvulibre-text 
libdjvulibre21 libdrm-amdgpu1 libdrm-common
  libdrm-intel1 libdrm-radeon1 libdrm2 libdv4t64 libdvdnav4 libdvdread8t64 
libdw1t64 libegl-mesa0 libegl1 libenchant-2-2
  libepoxy0 libevdev2 libexempi8 libexif12 libfaad2 libfftw3-double3 
libflac12t64 libflite1 libfluidsynth3 libfontconfig1
  libfontenc1 libfreeaptx0 libfreetype6 libfribidi0 libfuse3-3 libgail-3-0t64 
libgail-common libgail18t64 libgav1-1
  libgbm1 libgck-1-0 libgck-2-2 libgcr-4-4 libgcr-base-3-1 libgcr-ui-3-1 libgd3 
libgdata-common libgdata22
  libgdk-pixbuf-2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-bin libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common libgfortran5 
libgif7 libgl1 libgl1-mesa-dri
  libglapi-mesa libgles2 libglib2.0-bin libglvnd0 libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libgme0 
libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgomp1
  libgpgme11t64 libgphoto2-6t64 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port12t64 libgpm2 
libgraphene-1.0-0 libgraphite2-3
  libgs-common libgs10 libgs10-common libgsm1 libgssdp-1.6-0 
libgstreamer-gl1.0-0 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0
  libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk-3-bin 
libgtk-3-common libgtk-4-1 libgtk-4-bin
  libgtk-4-common libgtk-4-media-gstreamer libgtk-layer-shell0 libgtk2.0-0t64 
libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common
  libgtop-2.0-11 libgtop2-common libgudev-1.0-0 libgupnp-1.6-0 
libgupnp-igd-1.6-0 libhandy-1-0 libharfbuzz-icu0
  libharfbuzz0b libheif-plugin-aomenc libheif-plugin-dav1d 
libheif-plugin-libde265 libheif-plugin-x265 libheif1
  libhunspell-1.7-0 libhwy1t64 libhyphen0 libice6 libiec61883-0 libigdgmm12 
libijs-0.35 libimagequant0 libimath-3-1-29t64
  libimobiledevice-1.0-6 libimobiledevice-glue-1.0-0 libinstpatch-1.0-2 
libisl23 libjack-jackd2-0
  libjavascriptcoregtk-4.1-0 libjbig0 libjbig2dec0 libjpeg62-turbo libjson-c5 
libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common
  libjxl0.9 libjxr-tools libjxr0t64 libksba8 liblapack3 liblc3-1 liblcms2-2 
libldacbt-enc2 libldap-2.5-0 libldap-common
  libldb2 liblerc4 liblilv-0-0 libllvm17t64 liblmdb0 liblqr-1-0 liblrdf0 
libltc11 libltdl7 liblzo2-2
  libmagickcore-6.q16-7-extra libmagickcore-6.q16-7t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 
libmanette-0.2-0 libmarco-private2
  libmate-desktop-2-17t64 libmate-menu2 libmate-panel-applet-4-1 
libmate-slab0t64 libmate-window-settings1t64
  libmatekbd-common libmatekbd4 libmatemixer-common libmatemixer0 
libmateweather-common libmateweather1t64
  libmbedcrypto7t64 libmfx1 libmjpegutils-2.1-0t64 libmodplug1 libmp3lame0 
libmpc3 libmpcdec6 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0t64
  libmpfr6 libmpg123-0t64 libmplex2-2.1-0t64 libmsgraph-0-1 libmtp-common 
libmtp-runtime libmtp9t64 libmysofa1
  libncurses6 libneon27t64 libnfs14 libnghttp2-14 libnghttp3-9 libngtcp2-16 
libngtcp2-crypto-gnutls8 libnice10
  libnorm1t64 libnotify4 libnpth0t64 libnspr4 libnss3 libntfs-3g89t64 libnuma1 
libnvme1t64 libogg0 libopenal-data
  libopenal1 libopencore-amrnb0 libopencore-amrwb0 libopenexr-3-1-30 
libopenh264-7 libopenjp2-7 libopenmpt0t64
  libopenni2-0 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0t64 libpam-gnome-keyring libpango-1.0-0 
libpangocairo-1.0-0 libpangoft2-1.0-0
  libpaper-utils libpaper1 libparted2t64 libpciaccess0 libpgm-5.3-0t64 
libpipeline1 libpipewire-0.3-0t64
  libpipewire-0.3-common libpixman-1-0 libplacebo349 libplist-2.0-4 
libpng16-16t64 libpocketsphinx3 libpoppler-cpp0t64
  libpoppler134 libpostproc58 libproxy1v5 libpsl5t64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0 
libpulse0 libpython3-stdlib
  libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqpdf29t64 libqrencode4 
librabbitmq4 libraptor2-0 libraqm0 librav1e0.7
  libraw1394-11 libraw23t64 librda-common librda0 librist4 librsvg2-2 
librsvg2-common librtmp1 librubberband2
  libsamplerate0 libsasl2-2 libsasl2-modules libsasl2-modules-db libsbc1 
libsdl2-2.0-0 libsecret-1-0 libsecret-common
  libsensors-config libsensors5 libserd-0-0 libsharpyuv0 libshine3 libshout3 
libsm6 libsmbclient0 libsnappy1v5
  libsndfile1 libsndio7.0 libsodium23 libsord-0-0 libsoundtouch1 libsoup-2.4-1 
libsoup-3.0-0 libsoup-3.0-common
  libsoup2.4-common libsoxr0 libspa-0.2-modules libspandsp2t64 libspeex1 
libsphinxbase3t64 libsqlite3-0 libsratom-0-0
  libsrt1.5-gnutls libsrtp2-1 libssh-4 libssh2-1t64 libstartup-notification0 
libstemmer0d libsvtav1enc2 libswresample5
  libswscale8 libtag1v5 libtag1v5-vanilla libtalloc2 libtdb1 libtevent0t64 
libthai-data libthai0 libtheora0 libtiff6
  libtwolame0 libuchardet0 libudfread0 libudisks2-0 libunibreak6 libunwind8 
libusb-1.0-0 libusbmuxd-2.0-7 libv4l-0t64
  libv4lconvert0t64 libva-drm2 libva-x11-2 libva2 libvdpau-va-gl1 libvdpau1 
libvidstab1.1 libvisual-0.4-0 libvo-aacenc0
  libvo-amrwbenc0 libvolume-key1 libvorbis0a libvorbisenc2 libvorbisfile3 
libvpl2 libvpx9 libvte-2.91-0
  libvte-2.91-common libvulkan1 libwavpack1 libwayland-client0 
libwayland-cursor0 libwayland-egl1 libwayland-server0
  libwbclient0 libwebkit2gtk-4.1-0 libwebp7 libwebpdemux2 libwebpmux3 
libwebrtc-audio-processing1 libwildmidi2
  libwmflite-0.2-7 libwnck-3-0 libwnck-3-common libwoff1 libx11-6 libx11-data 
libx11-xcb1 libx264-164 libx265-209 libxau6
  libxaw7 libxcb-dri2-0 libxcb-dri3-0 libxcb-glx0 libxcb-present0 libxcb-randr0 
libxcb-render0 libxcb-shm0 libxcb-sync1
  libxcb-util1 libxcb-xfixes0 libxcb-xkb1 libxcb1 libxcomposite1 libxcursor1 
libxdamage1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3
  libxi6 libxinerama1 libxkbcommon-x11-0 libxkbcommon0 libxkbfile1 
libxklavier16 libxmlb2 libxmu6 libxmuu1 libxpm4
  libxpresent1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxres1 libxshmfence1 libxslt1.1 libxss1 
libxt6t64 libxtst6 libxv1 libxvidcore4
  libxxf86vm1 libyajl2 libyaml-0-2 libyelp0 libyuv0 libz3-4 libzbar0t64 
libzimg2 libzix-0-0 libzmq5 libzvbi-common
  libzvbi0t64 libzxing3 linux-sysctl-defaults lsb-release lsof man-db marco 
marco-common mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-desktop mate-desktop-common 
mate-desktop-environment-core mate-icon-theme mate-menus
  mate-notification-daemon mate-notification-daemon-common mate-panel 
mate-panel-common mate-polkit mate-polkit-common
  mate-session-manager mate-settings-daemon mate-settings-daemon-common 
mate-terminal mate-terminal-common mate-themes
  mate-user-guide media-types mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers 
mesa-vulkan-drivers ntfs-3g ocl-icd-libopencl1 p11-kit
  p11-kit-modules parted pinentry-curses pinentry-gnome3 pocketsphinx-en-us 
poppler-data publicsuffix python3
  python3-distro python3-minimal python3.12 python3.12-minimal samba-libs 
sgml-data sound-theme-freedesktop
  timgm6mb-soundfont udisks2 usbmuxd va-driver-all vdpau-driver-all x11-common 
x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils
  xdg-dbus-proxy xdg-desktop-portal xdg-desktop-portal-gtk xfonts-encodings 
xfonts-utils xkb-data yelp yelp-xsl zenity
  zenity-common
Suggested packages:
  gnome-control-center aspell-doc spellutils engrampa gstreamer1.0-tools meld 
cpp-doc gcc-14-locales cpp-14-doc wordlist
  dbus-user-session libpam-systemd tor docbook docbook-defguide docbook-dsssl 
docbook-xsl fonts-noto fonts-freefont-otf
  | fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-texgyre texlive-binaries gpg-wks-server parcimonie 
xloadimage scdaemon groff frei0r-plugins
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marco-common mate-control-center
  mate-control-center-common mate-core mate-desktop mate-desktop-common 
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mate-panel mate-panel-common mate-polkit
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