IRC log: 14:33 < ifvoid> lool: ping 14:34 -!- Mash [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:37 -!- MrCooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:39 -!- adlpaf [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:39 -!- spstarr_home [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:42 < lool> ifvoid: pong 14:46 < ifvoid> lool: about #380254 14:47 < ifvoid> with accessibility, so you mean the assistive technology thing? 14:49 < lool> ifvoid: from gnome preferences, accessibility 14:49 < ifvoid> yeah, right 14:49 < lool> ifvoid: I'm not sure of the english name 14:49 < ifvoid> that's disabled already 14:49 < lool> ok, did you log out and back in? 14:49 < ifvoid> no, but it was never enabled 14:49 < ifvoid> I didn't change it 14:50 < lool> weird, ISTR I saw atk stuff in your backtrace 14:51 < lool> ifvoid: yeah, I see accessibility stuff in your backtrace 14:51 < ifvoid> weird 14:51 < ifvoid> hm 14:51 < lool> ifvoid: it was never ever enabled? 14:51 < ifvoid> not that I can remember 14:51 < ifvoid> but let me just enable and disable it again 14:51 < lool> ifvoid: cause CORBA stuff might hang around for a while 14:51 < lool> ifvoid: yes, I was about to ask this :) 14:52 < lool> ifvoid: a good test is to type an URL in the GNOME "Run..." dialog 14:52 < lool> ifvoid: if it crashes, you have accessibility enabled :) 14:52 < ifvoid> run dialog? 14:52 < lool> Alt-F2 14:52 < ifvoid> that doesn't so anything here 14:52 < lool> uh 14:52 < ifvoid> I'm ot using metacity though 14:52 < lool> are you under a gnome session? 14:52 < lool> ah 14:52 < ifvoid> yeah 14:53 < ifvoid> gnoem with sawfish 14:53 < lool> I don't find the Run dialog in the GNOME menu! 14:54 < lool> this is *so* stupid 14:55 < lool> ifvoid: no idea how you can reach it without metacity 14:55 < ifvoid> anyway, I just enabled accessibility stuff and tries to relogin 14:55 < lool> ok 14:55 < ifvoid> but now everything crahes 14:55 < ifvoid> gnome-panel and nautilus, at least 14:55 < ifvoid> only sawfish and firefox are started 14:56 < lool> ok can you disable accessibility again, logout, wipe any running bonobo/orbit process and see whether yelp still crashes? 14:56 -!- bjb [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:56 < ifvoid> well 14:57 < lool> the bonobo process looks like this: 14:57 < lool> lool 6263 0.0 0.3 7664 3276 ? Ss 14:09 0:00 /usr/lib/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-server --ac-activate --ior-output-fd=18 14:57 < ifvoid> I can't even login to gnoem anymore atm 14:57 -!- Toadstool [EMAIL PROTECTED] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:58 < ifvoid> lemme try the failsafe session 14:58 < lool> ifvoid: can you try running gnome-control-center from a non-gnome session? 14:59 < lool> or simply gnome-at-properties 14:59 -!- Toadstool [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:59 -!- agney [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 14:59 < ifvoid> ah, working again 15:00 < lool> ifvoid: another likely cause of yelp crashing on your computer only is something in your session, it's usually easy to diagnose, but hard to fix 15:00 < ifvoid> all kinds of gnome precesses were hanging in the background still 15:00 < lool> ifvoid: ah great, so probably accessibility was enabled but didn't appear so? 15:00 < lool> ifvoid: does yelp still crash? 15:00 < ifvoid> might be 15:00 < ifvoid> anyway, it's off now, and I have my gnome desktop back 15:00 < ifvoid> let's see about yelp 15:00 < ifvoid> still crashes 15:01 < lool> hmm 15:01 < lool> ok, easiest way to diagnose a session related problem is to create a new temporary user and login with it, and launch yelp 15:01 < ifvoid> ok 15:01 < lool> it it works, it's going to be painful to diagnose, but it's something lanched in your saved session 15:03 < lool> ifvoid: oh wait, can you check accessibility of the keyboard? 15:03 < lool> ifvoid: is it enabled? 15:03 < lool> this is in gnome-accessibility-keyboard-properties 15:03 < Sesse> whoa :-) 15:03 < ifvoid> lool: in the clean user session, it also crashes 15:03 < lool> ifvoid: argh 15:04 < ifvoid> and alles accesiibility is disabled there 15:04 < lool> ifvoid: then it's really a RC bug 15:04 < ifvoid> would you like a backtrace in the clean session? 15:04 < lool> yes, can you install dbg symbols for libs in your backtrace? 15:05 < lool> libatspi-dbg 15:05 < lool> libatk1.0-dbg 15:05 < lool> libxul0d-dbg 15:06 < lool> libgtk2.0-dbg and libglib2.0-dbg 15:06 < lool> ifvoid: BTW, any particular Xulrunner plugins installed? 15:06 < lool> ifvoid: or keyboard input methods? 15:06 < madduck> http://www.nicht-lustig.de/toondb/020302.html -- i won't translate as i don't think it's necessary. 15:06 < ifvoid> libgtk2.0-dbg doesn't exist on amd64, it seesm 15:06 < madduck> and if you want, look at the one behind the left arrow. funny 15:07 < ifvoid> oh, it's replace by libgtk2.0-0-dbg 15:07 < lool> ah sorry, my mistake 15:08 < lool> forgot about this 15:08 < ifvoid> lool: what should those xylrunners and input methods be called? 15:08 < lool> ifvoid: xulrunner is the replacement of mozilla for building yelp 15:08 < lool> ifvoid: but modules may be named mozilla-* 15:09 < ifvoid> jist mozilla-browser, -firefox and -psm are installed 15:09 < lool> eg mozilla-plugin-gnash, mozilla-plugin-vlc, mozilla-bonobo 15:09 -!- agney [EMAIL PROTECTED] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds] 15:10 < lool> ifvoid: we're lagging an at-spi release, and atk has a new stable branch, both of these are candidates to fix your issue, so we should ping you when these get in the archive 15:11 < lool> ifvoid: if it doesn't help, someone with amd64 should diagnose the bug :-/ 15:12 < ifvoid> but I'm not using any at 15:12 < ifvoid> ok, installing the debug packages rigth now 15:13 < lool> ifvoid: yeah, I know you disabled accessibility, but for some reason these libs are still in the backtrace 15:13 < lool> I wonder if xulrunner-gnome-support is turning it on or something like that 15:14 < lool> ifvoid: mind if I sent his IRC log to the bug? 15:15 < ifvoid> be my guest 15:15 < ifvoid> I was already replying with a short summary and a new backtrace though 15:15 < lool> ok, I'll let you send the info then 15:15 -!- Huahua [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #debian-devel 15:16 < ifvoid> lool: btw, xulrunner and xulrunner-gnome-support aren't installed 15:16 < ifvoid> lool: it probably wouldn't hurt to send the irc log anyway 15:16 < ifvoid> it's a bit moer verbose, I think 15:17 < lool> ifvoid: ok 15:17 < ifvoid> let me try what happens if I remove at-spi altogether 15:18 < lool> ifvoid: I have to leave, thanks for the information 15:18 -!- kobold [EMAIL PROTECTED] has left #debian-devel [] 15:19 < ifvoid> ahhh 15:19 < ifvoid> without at-spi installed, the bug goes away 15:20 < lool> ifvoid: ah good 15:20 < lool> ifvoid: please reassign to at-spi 15:20 < lool> ifvoid: the new upstream release has important bugs and need some commits to be reverted before being uploaded to Debian, and noone looked into it yet 15:20 < ifvoid> ok
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