This one time, at band camp, Jon Marler said: > Quoting Stephen Gran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I think you are letting your crankiness interfere with your logic. The > > people arguing that qmail is non-free are a different group than those > > that have anything to do with funding anything. If you can't adequately > > maintain the package, say so instead of finding random third parties to > > explode at. Being unable to maintain qmail strikes me as a good thing, > > frankly, and nothing to be ashamed of. > > Actually, to be exactly precise, it was a board decision to remove the qmail > users from Debian's default passwd file. I worked with Wichert Akkerman on > removing these users, and he is the one who told me the decision came from the > board, which funds Debian. I'm not just making this stuff up ... Don't take > my > word for it, ask Wichert.
I will. That is very odd, if true. I see no reference to a board decision in the linked discussions or changelogs. > The way qmail works in Debian is a hack. It's ugly, and it's not the most > graceful thing, but it works. You both seem like smart guys, and I'm sure you > can figure out how to add a user. I'm not the one who wrote qmail such that > it > requires specific users to be present before you build, hardcoding the > uid/gid's > into the compiled package, that was DJB. If you install qmail-src, or > manually > add the users, the package builds fine. If you don't like it, feel free to > take it up with DJB, or mark the bug as sent-upstream. From my experience > with > DJB, you have a snowball's chance in hell at getting as much as an email back > from him ... good luck! No, I understand the problem. My point was supposed to be (although it didn't come across this way, I realize, sorry) that it should be possible to do runtime detection of the user to run as, rather than having it hardcoded. Many daemons do this, so I'm not sure why it can't be the same in qmail. If you say it can't, then I guess I'll take your word for it, but it does seem like an odd restriction on the code base. > I have made 40 releases of qmail since I started managing the > package, and take it quite seriously. > > Your childish comments at the end there made me chuckle. It's very typical of > Debian package maintainers, and the #1 reason I stopped reading -private years > ago. Fair cop. I was pretty cranky last night, and for no reason took it out on you. That's not acceptable, and I'm sorry. I realize you must work hard on qmail, and I didn't mean to downplay your contribution. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | ,''`. Stephen Gran | | : :' : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | `. `' Debian user, admin, and developer | | `- http://www.debian.org | -----------------------------------------------------------------
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