On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 06:59:51AM +0200, Ola Lundqvist wrote:
> 
> As I'm the maintainer (and actually creator now when I look in the chnagelog)
> of ndiff and do not really have a problem to get that package removed.
> The "old ndiff" (ndiff package) is old as you Fyodor states.

Thanks Ola.  Even though the Nmap project now has an official,
supported ndiff tool, we do appreciate your efforts in packaging this
3rd party ndiff for all these years!

> So the following needs to be done:
> 1) Update nmap to "conflict" and "provide" ndiff (at least conflict).
>  This part will solve this bug and must be done in any case, as we have
>  ndiff in the archive now and people can have it installed already (like me).

I'm not a Debian developer, but maybe someone else can do this?  I
only follow the Debian Nmap bug tracker since I'm the author and
maintainer of Nmap.

> 2) Please check whether the ndiff script works in the same way as the
>  "old ndiff".

They serve the same purpose (show the difference between two Nmap
scans), but I haven't used "old ndiff" in many years.

> 2) Please check whether the nrun and ngen scripts work with the new nmap.

Given how much Nmap has changed in the last 8 years (and these scripts
haven't), they at best work on a small subset of Nmap features.  I
haven't tried them for the better part of a decade.

>  If it does, you can merge that code to nmap.

As these third party scripts are unrelated to the Nmap Project, we
don't think they should be merged with Debian's Nmap package.  Even
the original author no longer supports them, and we don't want to
either.

>  If it do not work we need to remove ndiff package anyway.
> 3) File a bug against ftp.debian.org requesting the removal of the package.
>  If the ftp team needs my approval before it is removed, please Cc me and
>  I'll answer that.
> 
> Would this be ok with you?

That sounds good although I think a Debian developer should do it.

By the way, we have no problem with old ndiff continuing as a package,
but we think the name of the package and script executable should be
changed to avoid conflicting.  For example, the package could become
"nwatch" or "nrun" or "ngen" and the ndiff script could become
ndiff.pl.  Removing the package entirely is another reasonable option.
We believe that most people trying to "apt get ndiff" are expecting
the official supported Nmap project Ndiff tool which we've been
promoting, and not an 8 year old set of unmaintained Perl scripts.

Thanks,
Fyodor



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