* Raphael Hertzog <hert...@debian.org> [2010-11-03 15:12:09 CET]: > On Wed, 03 Nov 2010, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > That's because noone sends in input. The webteam is too small to go dig > > around random places to pick up stuff to offer here, and people aren't > > sending in any stuff. > > I know that, it's part of the reason why I believe the wiki to be a better > place. > > I am more likely to do the required efforts to publish my talks if I > know that I can do it entirely alone. If I have to bother someone > else, I start wondering: > - how likely will I loose time because no one is going to act on my > request?
Likelyness increases immensly with not even remotely giving it a try. > - is my talk important enough to bother someone into adding it to the > website? If the talk is not considered important enough then one should fear removal of it from the wiki page, too. If the wiki page is considered as a random dumplace for everything, then it won't be useful or usable very quickly. A lot of people that I know of rather not bother with registering at yet another wiki, creating yet another account and figuring out yet another wiki syntax that is different everywhere around. That's a lot of loops to jump through, compared to send a single mail, formatless, with the information on the talk. > Of course, in 99% of the time, the talk will be added and everything is > fine but the simple fact of requiring someone else's work is creating a > mental barrier to some people. The simple fact of requiring another wiki login is creating mental barrier to some people. We have a draw here. > > How is editing a wiki page that requires login any easier than sending > > a simple mail to debian-...@lists? I don't follow that reasoning. > > See above. Also the wiki makes it easier for occasionnal contributors > to feel in the blanks, while on the website only regular contributors > (which are already overworked) can fix stuff. Again, mails are extremely simple, requests sent on IRC are also done on regular basis, and actually - the amount of contributions on the wiki in general doesn't really give me the impression that it would result in better or even simply more content. Especially since there wasn't even a try to discuss this before starting with the external effort. > > So even before you tried to improve the situation you started right > > ahead with forking the existing part instead of working to fix the > > situation. Way to go, that's definitely a good approach. > > I believe the wiki page is the way to improve the situation that is > sustainable on the long term. If the current approach was working, we > would not have this discussion. We would not have this discussion if you would have gotten in contact *before* you started the page. Sorry, that argument is totally ridiculous. Starting something externally yourself and claiming that current state isn't working because *you* didn't even try to do a single contact approach is making me laugh. Madly. > If you really want to keep the webpage, I suggest at least to explain > clearly how people should submit new talks. I bet that the "simple mail" > to debian-www@ will become a bug report against www.debian.org to avoid > loosing/missing request of speakers. From the very first paragraph of the page: "If a talk is missing, please get in touch with the [events people] including all details." If you didn't even get that far I fear others won't go any much further on the wiki page neither. Wording improvements very welcome, as is a discussion on wether this should be changed to debian-www or wether the events people are willing to keep maintaining these parts. Thanks for following the general Debian approach of non-communication. Rhonda -- <dholbach> Last day of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starting in 34 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.feenode.net * ScottK hands dholbach an "r". <Rhonda> Are they fundraising again? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-bugs-dist-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org