-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We are not discuss about encoding.
We are discuss about whether merge traditional chinese and simple chinese or not. Yufeng Lan wrote: > 没说强制,只是推荐使用统一码的utf-8方案,以便让计算机兼容处理其它语言文 字,至于用户是否使用中文,我个人不在乎;由于技术问题不能使 > 用utf-8的,用户有自由使用其它编码,或者即使使用utf-8,却加密只给看得懂 的某些人看(和debian/debian- > chinese相关主题),或者使用罕见的术语。 既积极使用公开的开放标准,又支 持老用户和旧的使用方式,这是最好的发展方向,不是么? > > 的确,debian-chinese应该主要使用中文,但是也有特殊情况使用其它语言文字 的,我只是强调这是unicode的特点之一,不是说 > 鼓励大家使用非中文,或使用中文讨论非debian/debian-chinese相关话题。 > > 我们讨论的不是技术问题,而是一个列表管理问题,没必要太过分讨论技术的细 微末节,即: 1. 是否合并gb和big5列表? 2. 如果合 > 并,列表是否自动进行简繁中文转换?并评估技术难度和需求。 3. 如果合并, 是否保留原有的gb/big5列表? 4. 如果不合并,是否创 > 建新的邮件列表?.... > > 谢谢分享你的意见。 2008/5/22 Copacabunny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> big5和gb编码共存不是问题吧,maillist在这方面好像也不会有问题,由于大家 使用的邮件客户端不同,所以为了方便没有必要强制 >> 改用utf-8编码吧。使用少数民族语言我认为是会影响阅读理解的,debian的讨 论我想按语言分就好,而没有必要按所谓国家、民族分。 >> 个人认为交流方便是最重要的,编码可能解决了传输问题,但不能解决人理解不 了不同民族语言的问题。 >> >> >> 所以我个人的观点是:虽然支持简繁邮件列表的合并,但认为不必要使用UTF- 8,也不需在这个汉语邮件列表中合并入非汉语的少数民族文字。 >> 如果少数民族朋友确有需要,可以去相应语言的讨论区,或讨论申请新的列表。 >> >> 2008/5/21 Yufeng Lan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 抱歉延迟回复,我想鼓励大家 都订使用utf8 >> 的统一中文用户列表,但是我担心有历史遗留问题(前面有的邮件谈到技术、文 化、个人偏好上的困难),同时考虑到保存一个多样化的中文环境, >> 简单的办法就是保留历史( >>> 至少50年不变:) >>> >> ),当然这要看社区资源是否允许这么"浪费",其实喜欢"纯"简体和繁体的用户 也可以设立邮件列表(反正g00g1e等免费提供,他们自己 >> 可以选举管理员,我也希望将来加入这些特殊的讨论组)。 >>> 订阅2-3个邮件列表对我不是麻烦,我个人没问题。 >>> >>> >> 不限语言,只要是想在华人世界讨论,什么语言都包容,包括维吾尔、藏文、德 语、俄语、火星文、骇客语,这也是UTF8的优势。不然又有人或 >> 组织会抗议文化灭绝了。我们在某些文化问题上还是要注意,资源允许的条件下 尽量包容,这对我们的社区有好处。 >>> 大家都提了不少好的建议,我个人非常高兴看到这么多好的点子。 >>> >>> 2008/5/19 Zhan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>> why, just so to have less users per list. if most users end >>>> up subscribe to all three, why not just merge them. >>>> >>>> 为什么,那样每个邮件列表上的人会更少。估计很多人会订阅两三个,为什么 不直接合并。 >>>> >>>> 不限语言?我希望中文列表上还是看中文好。英文勉强接受,至少大家懂。其 它的还是不要了。 >>>> >>>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:50:57 +0800, Yufeng Lan >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 同意,保持繁体的继续生存。 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 默认用 utf8,不限语言, >>>>> 当然用户大部分是华人。 其他保持原状不变,一国3码。 >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Shih-Yuan Lee >>>>> (FourDollars) < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear All, >>>>>> >>>>>> My opinion is to reopen [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> to use utf8 >> or >>>>>> to open another mailing list, named as >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Keep >>>>>> debian-chinese-gb@lists.debian.org and >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for their local >>>>>> users. Then use traditional chinese in >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and use simplified >>>>>> chinese in [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use both >>>>>> of traditional and simplified chinese in >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]/[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> $4 >>>>>> >>>>>> 2008/5/19 Rex Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>>>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is interesting, this thread is probably one of the >>>>>>> most active in last couple months. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My option is to merge these two mailing list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even though the list is most helping Debian users solve >>>>>>> their problems, and users feel more comfortable when >>>>>>> using the characters they can read. But there are >>>>>>> already many local user group[1] set up >> online >>>>>>> forum for helping out the users, which makes the >>>>>>> mission of these >> two >>>>>>> mailing lists marginal. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some people would say Debian is doing very good on >>>>>>> supporting Chinese. But it does not mean we can stop >>>>>>> the mailing list. Still, there are many decisions need >>>>>>> to be made for the new packages and releases. And >> both >>>>>>> encodings/languages communities are sharing these >>>>>>> results of these decisions, since we are sharing the >>>>>>> basically infrastructures for fonts, input method, >>>>>>> configurations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The mailing list is the right place to submit >>>>>>> Chinese-related suggestions, which is the place that >>>>>>> Debian Developers can discuss >> and >>>>>>> work together. A boundary of mailing encodings will >>>>>>> make this kind >> of >>>>>>> discussions difficult. And most of the modern softwares >>>>>>> support big5/gb2312/unicode without problems, people >>>>>>> can easily read the messages or translate the encodings >>>>>>> by themselves. There is not need to split the mailing >>>>>>> lists by encodings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> best regards - -Rex >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> http://www.chinalinuxpub.com/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=73 >>>>>>> http://www.debsir.org/ http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/ >>>>>>> http://moto.debian.org.tw/ -----BEGIN PGP >>>>>>> SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) >>>>>>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - >>>>>>> http://enigmail.mozdev.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> iD8DBQFIMP4YOl4Wbdx2/rkRAj7jAJ4y0kY+E6yvtuF7jlXi68+zD2MvhgCeM/cs >>>>>>> yhlu39HZHLJecoRuiEG5xTk= =Csn6 -----END PGP >>>>>>> SIGNATURE----- >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject >>>>>> of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- regards, >>>> >>>> Zhan >>>> >>>> >>>> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of >>>> "unsubscribe". Trouble? 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