确实，现在 Debian main 里 stardict 词典的缺失是个大问题，我会努力找一些版权合适的词典来放进去。 关于 team maintain 的问题，正如 Andrew 所言，现在 stardict 维护者的主要问题不是 fix bug 的技术问题， 而主要是整理关于文件的版权问题和跟上游沟通的工作，我认为这些工作转为 team maintain 并没有更 合适。至于我个人，我并不敢承诺马上能胜任新的维护者的工作，毕竟 stardict 历史悠久，这个工作挺 复杂的，我还是再做几个 NMU 试试看。
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 5:21 AM Anthony Fok <f...@debian.org> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 8:16 PM Andrew Lee <ajq...@debian.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Emfox and Boyuan, > > (Cc'ed to jbi...@debian.org as he has done the NMUs) > > > > I have no time and no interests on this package anymore since it more on > DFSG-free license issues rather than packaging issue that needs to talk to > upstream. > > Feel free to take over the maintainership of this package from me. > > > > Best regards, > > -Andrew > > > > Emfox Zhou <emfoxz...@gmail.com> 於 2019年11月21日 週四 上午9:45寫道： > >> > >> 接手就算了，stardict 历史悠久，里面各个软件工具错综复杂，就刚刚你讲的这个exe问题就几乎是无解的，除非自己按功能重写一遍…… > >> 既然提到了，我最近有空看能不能把那几个RC的bug搞一搞，NMU啥的还是可以的嘛 > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 5:23 AM Boyuan Yang <by...@debian.org> wrote: > >>> > >>> 在 2019-11-20三的 15:45 +0800，Emfox Zhou写道： > >>> > 其实这一块Debian对于软件维护者的保护有些过了，维护者三五个月不理会严重等级的bug，MIA大半年，都没什么影响，而新人想 > >>> > 要接手，流程却很麻烦，要不断地确认，NMU也好直接参与维护也好，稍有不小心就会被人说aggressive。 > >>> > 算了不多说了，这些是社区长期的传统，也没啥好抱怨的，只是顺便吐个槽。 > >>> > > >>> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 2:57 PM Liang Guo <bluestonech...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:06 PM Emfox Zhou <emfoxz...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > > > > >>> > > > stardict 有两位DD做为维护者，我们直接去插手没有必要吧…… > >>> > > > 我很早以前维护过几个stardict的英汉和汉英的词典包，但是因license不明的问题又被踢出Debian了。 > >>> > > > > >>> > > 有很多DD应为各种原因，没有使自己维护的软件包处于很好的状态，这时候如果有人愿意帮忙维护相关的软件包，很多人还是很欢迎的。 > >>> > >>> 只针对 stardict 这个软件来说：我和 foka 在2018年邮件联系过，如果有哪位对修 bug > >>> 或者继续维护软件感兴趣的话接手是没问题的，这次绝对不会被人称为 aggressive。本封邮件抄送两位维护者。 > >>> > >>> 目前 stardict 软件上游混杂了授权不明的各种二进制文件（例如 .exe 文件），对其进行剔除、以及对新版 mariadb > 的支持会是工作的重点。 > >>> > >>> 对于词典数据包：个人看法是词典数据来源不明的问题是最危险的，如果公开提供了被原作者禁止分发（重分发）的数据的话就不仅仅是 non-free > >>> 的问题，而是被发现会直接吃官司的问题。其它具体的技术手段，包括是否使用 wget | sh > >>> 的方式进行安装以及安全性等等都是次要问题。如果有哪位感兴趣的话可以对本串邮件中提及的软件仓库中的 deb > >>> 包解包研究一下，我个人看法是至少金山公司直接前来提告是一点问题都没有的。 > >>> > >>> 提供 non-free 的软件或数据并不是洪水猛兽，不同软件具体的许可证限制可能五花八门，但上游允许重分发是底线，这也是 Debian 的 > non-free > >>> 仓库所遵循的条件之一。 > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Boyuan Yang > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Emfox Zhou > >> > >> GnuPG Public Key: 0x10000DEB > > > > > > > > -- > > -Andrew > > Dear all, 大家好： > > Thank you for all your discussions, 感谢大家热烈的讨论。 > > About Faris's (@atzlinux) initial post about sharing 3rd-party (non > Debian-released) StarDict dictionary data packages, I would simply see > it as "resource sharing" by an end user, and thus I would neither > discourage or encourage it. > 关于 Faris (@atzlinux) 当初分享的“第三方”（非 Debian 发布的) 星际译王词典数据包，我想简单视之为一个普通 > end user 的 “资源分享”的“便民服务”，所以我不会特别“支持”或者“不支持”。 > > However, since the source and "legality of distribution" of the > dictionary data are "unclear", the Debian Project can never include > such data, not even in non-free, and can never endorse them. A random > post here on debian-chinese(-gb) is OK, but we cannot mention or > promote this on Debian websites. > 不过，因为这些词典数据的来源和“发布的合法性”存疑，Debian Project 自然不可能打包这些数据，连放进去 non-free > 都不可以，所以在 Debian Project 的角度来看自然是无法认可的。在 debian-chinese(-gb) > 邮件列表偶尔一封邮件讲一下无所谓，但 Debian 的各个网站等就不可能提及甚或推广了。 > > Of course, there is the danger of "curl/wget" fetching and running a > shell script as root, etc. All I could say is: exercise common sense; > end users beware. > 当然啦，关于用 root 盲目执行从网上 curl/wget 下载的脚本，我只能说：终端用户该有相关的安全意识，慎重。 > > If I understand correctly, the current issues with StarDict is not so > much with the engine itself (already packaged in Debian), but with the > lack dictionary data that we could legally include within Debian. > 据我的有限理解，目前 Debian 中的 StarDict 相关问题，主要不在已经 Debian > 打包的词典引擎本身，而是在于缺乏可以合法地包含进 Debian 的词典数据包。 > > In recent years, I have had the chance of using some open-source based > dictionaries, for example, moedict.tw (Ministry of Education of > Taiwan), words.hk (a community-organized Cantonese on-line > dictionary), as well as Pleco the mobile app which contains several > open-source Chinese/English-Chinese/Chinese-English dictionaries, and > these are probably the correct ways to have legal and > free-to-distribute dictionary data included within Debian > out-of-the-box. 我近年有机会接触到一些比较自由公开的词典，例如 moedict.tw 萌典、words.hk > 粵典、Pleco 手机应用中的一些免费而且开源的中文/汉英/英汉词典数据，可能这些才是让 Debian > 能自带合法并且可以自由发布的词典数据的唯一正确出路，也是真正的“便民”之计。 > > Kudos to moedict.tw and g0v.tw for spearheading such open-source > efforts, see https://www.moedict.tw/about.html for example where much > of the dictionary data is available under the "CC BY-ND 3.0 TW" > license: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/tw/deed.en > 感谢“萌典”和“零时政府”等项目牵头类似的开源工程，见 https://www.moedict.tw/about.html。 > > While the NoDerivs is not good for Debian "main", but perhaps good for > "non-free", or perhaps even the possibility of downloading such "CC > BY-ND" dictionary data from within StarDict. After all it is legal. > 虽然 "CC BY-ND 3.0 TW" 的“禁止改作” 使进入 Debian "main" 不可能，但进入 "non-free" > 应该是可以的。万一真的不行，就从 StarDict 中让用户直接下载，毕竟是完全合法的嘛。 > > Last but not least, I am glad that Emfox voiced his frustration about > the difficulty of newcomers trying to contribute, and that Boyang > responded encouraging such contributions. I am even more gladdened by > the fact that Emfox found our StarDict git repository on Salsa > https://salsa.debian.org/debian/stardict , pushed a commit, and even > uploaded a new release! Great job Emfox! > > Now that Andrew had just orphaned the package in > https://bugs.debian.org/945198 (Thank you for all the great work you > have done to this package over the years, Andrew.), and seeing how > well Debian's team-maintained packages work nowadays, do you all think > it is a good idea to set the StarDict's debian/control Maintainer to > "Debian Chinese Team"? (Should we ask the Salsa support team to move > the repository from https://salsa.debian.org/debian/stardict to > https://salsa.debian.org/chinese-team/stardict too?) All team members > are invited to contribute to the Salsa stardict repository directly or > via merge requests; and for frequent uploaders, you are welcome to add > your own name to the Uploaders list in debian/control too. What do > you think? > > Cheers, > Anthony > -- Emfox Zhou GnuPG Public Key: 0x10000DEB
