On 11/24/06, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
First, what is the issue exactly. I am totally at a loss to understand what it is exactly what is reproached me, and feel that i am unfairly handled.
I'm going to try to tackle this: In simplest form, [and limiting the context to Debian] the issue is "listening". Of course, that's somewhat inaccurate. First off, we don't listen to email, we read it. And, it's very apparent that Sven does spend considerable time reading emails. However there is reading and catching points here and there, and there is reading and understanding the viewpoints and concerns of the person who wrote them. And, to some degree, no one really understands ALL that's being written in the debian forums. No one has that kind of time. So we necessarily live with some failures to comprehend. But that doesn't mean that such failures are a good thing, it's just being realistic that they exist. We just try and avoid those failures boiling into a significant issue in areas that are important to us. Anyways, back to Sven... Sven: as a prolific writer in these forums, you have exposed yourself to far greater levels of misunderstanding than just about anyone else. In part, no one has the time to even digest the volumes you've written and understand why you wrote them. In part, you do not allow yourself the time to digest what other people are saying. In part, your interjections detract from the time people have available to study what other people have to say. And I think that, in a nutshell, is the issue. It's really only a serious issue because it's not a temporary state of affairs, but something that continues for years. And... repetition can be a fine technique to get a point across, but getting points doesn't happen if you're not understanding other people. You won't know when they understand you just fine, you won't recognize when they have a pertinent point to contribute, and you certainly won't recognize when they don't understand you. Anyways, if you're looking for someone to point at one specific thing you've said, one specific issue, you're not going to get that. There's plenty of problems which have been raised, and not resolved, but taking any of those in isolation is an excellent way of missing the fundamental issue. Taken in isolation, pretty much everything you've said is at least tolerable and at times helpful. That said, you do not allow people to take your statements in isolation. And I think all people are asking from you is... more time (by a couple orders, maybe, over what you currently grant) and a willingness to back off when needed. Time on your part to digest what they are saying, and for you to grant them the time and respect to understand the good points in what you have to say. And if you can't grant that, what's the point? That said, by this point many people seem to be rather unhappy (Sven included), and that winds up being another issue in and of itself. Finally, this is my point of view as a relatively disinterested observer. I've probably overlooked a number of pointed comments which would incline a person to disagree with my assessment. That kind of conflict is almost inevitable with this kind of problem. -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]