Hi Chris,

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022 at 10:04:34PM +0100, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote:
> I was hoping we could put util-linux' rename into the
> "bsdextrautils" binary package, which has utilities like write, col,
> etc; to avoid putting it into an Essentials: yes package, and to
> avoid a new binary package. However, picking bsdextrautils seems
> ... maybe not ideal if it should Conflict with rename.
> 
> I guess the best thing would be to introduce a new binary package,
> but I am out of ideas on naming it. Open for ideas here.

This paragraph can be vaguely interpreted as an intention to put the
util-linux rename implementation back into some binary package under
some path. Doing so would go a significant way towards what the
submitter of the ctte bug wants.

We've discussed a number of possible ways to put it back (various
packages, various paths, with or without update-alternatives, with or
without Conflicts). From what you said, I understand that:
 * You disagree with putting it in some transitively essential package.
 * You think that Debian should make a choice about the rename API and
   stick to that.
 * You take issue with "rename.ul" as a program name, because it is
   inconsistent with other Linux distributions.
 * You agree on shipping the util-linux rename executable (with
   unspecified filename at this stage) in some Debian binary package in
   principle.

Do you confirm these statements?

Given these, we think that much of the issue can be resolved
cooperatively. To get there we (as ctte) ask you to explain how you
prefer adding the util-linux rename executable as precisely as you see
it at this stage.

In your option,
 * which binary package should contain the util-linux rename?
   - bsdextrautils
   - something else
 * how should it be named?
   - rename
   - rename.ul
   - something else
 * where should it be installed?
   - /usr/bin
   - something else?
 * should it be managed with update-alternatives?
 * should there be a Conflicts or Breaks relation with the perl rename?

If you feel unable to answer any of these, please say so.

Thank you for taking the time to participate in this discussion.

Helmut

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