If you ever wondered what Debian IRC is about, this particular flamewar covers all the important bits on a single page (depending on terminal size and wrapping). Including the use of nuclear weaponry at the end.
16:08 < tarzeau> looking at https://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-is-missing.html 16:08 < tarzeau> it's fine to ship some minimized javascript files, listing the upstream homepage+authors in debian/copyright for them? 16:09 < tarzeau> this http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/shotcut/ stuff wouldn't work removing the few it has 16:09 < bremner> I don't think it's "fine", no. 16:09 < tarzeau> adding it to debian/missing-sources ? 16:11 < ansgar> tarzeau: Just do the same you would do for ELF binaries. :) 16:12 < tarzeau> add the source into the orig.tar.gz and build from that version? when there is already an ascii minified file? 16:12 < bremner> minified is not source 16:12 < tarzeau> i've heard of compiling c source, font source, but ascii text to ascii text? 16:13 < tarzeau> it's like obfuscated c code 16:13 < bremner> well, I'm just reporting project concensus 16:13 < tarzeau> it's more than 5 js files 16:13 < bremner> if you want to "die on that hill", knock yourself out 16:14 < bremner> I wonder why I can't spell "concensus" 16:14 < Clint> because you're sanadian 16:14 < bremner> could be. 16:16 < kilobyte> kind of configure.ac -> configure -- two megs of opaque shell code is technically text, but less human readable than some assembly 16:16 < bremner> I think java bytecode is probably more readable than minified JS. 16:17 * tarzeau still loves the booz allen study of 20+ years ago: It isn't faster to code on NeXTstep; you just have to write less of it. The revolution is "getting rid of software". 16:17 < tarzeau> 83 % less lines of code in with objective-c 16:17 < ansgar> tarzeau: That's why people write Python instead of C++ or C++ instead of C. 16:18 < ansgar> Or .service files instead of shell scripts. :> 16:18 < tarzeau> ansgar: that's why there's Cocoa.h and XCode, or GNUstep with Gorm (InterfaceBuilder), no need to write code for a graphical thing, just draw it 16:18 < tarzeau> TGIF i'll not talk about .service files in microsoft .ini format, undebuggable shit 16:19 < ansgar> Well, less bad than sh :> 16:19 < tarzeau> C++ is a huge disaster. it has nothing to do with C among the first letter. it's like Java and JavaScript 16:20 < ansgar> C++ is much, much better than C. 16:20 < bremner> thank goodness we're back to talking about important stuff 16:20 < bremner> TIL: repetitive eyeroll injury 16:21 < ansgar> bremner: Just wait for the "please decide on the default text editor" ctte bug. :> 16:21 < bremner> that will be easy. 16:21 < bremner> ed is the standard editor. 16:21 < kilobyte> well, just today you said emacs loads so slowly for you that you need complex setup to keep it running :p 16:22 < ansgar> kilobyte: Yes, systemd socket activation is needed. Someone[tm] should package eamcs26 for Debian. 16:22 < tarzeau> kilobyte: probably still better than *THIS* build system: https://github.com/gcad3d/gcad3d/blob/master/src/APP/do 16:23 < tarzeau> i like cat and tac too, combined with rev 16:23 < kilobyte> bremner: and its source is so simple! while read x;do echo '?';done 16:23 * kilobyte actually used a sane human-friendly version of ed for years. Our "ed" package, on the other hand... 16:24 < tarzeau> i should test my new package "lix" but i lack network players: http://phd-sid.ethz.ch/debian/lix/ Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Ivan was a worldly man: born in St. Petersburg, raised in ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ Petrograd, lived most of his life in Leningrad, then returned ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ to the city of his birth to die.
