On Tue, 25 Sep 2001 00:12, John Galt wrote: > First of all, I doubt that you're going to have too much trouble getting a > response from SElinux. They've been pretty good on responding to their > mailinglist: which, I might add, I see more than one Debian Developer has > contributed to, yet you have not. It would behoove you to actually look > as if you really cared before ITPing.
I've read some of the archives, although they are incomplete and poorly indexed. Did you have a point with this or do you just want to write more flames and waste everyone's time as usual? > Secondly, since Debian's warranty is "no warranty", I fail to see how the > expression of that in a license makes it non-free. They ask that people agree to conditions before download. We have no facilities for showing the conditions before downloading, they could potentially disagree with this. > Thirdly, isn't this a question for -legal? I think this is now being handled adequately in private mail. A developer who has had prior contact with the NSA people is now dealing with the matter. > On Sat, 22 Sep 2001, Russell Coker wrote: > >I intend to package the kernel patch for NSA Security Enhanced Linux. > > > >Below is all the details on licenses. My interpretation of the below > > license details (copied from the web site) is that the kernel patch is > > under the GPL and everything is fine. > > > >However is the issue about "warranty exclusion" etc which requires > > "agreement before download" going to force me to use non-free for my > > package? > > > >I know I could ask upstream for clarification of this issue, however the > > NSA takes a long time to prepare public statements, and I imagine that > > things will take longer now than they would have a few weeks ago... > > > > > > > >License statement from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/license.html : > > > >All source code found on this site is released under the same terms and > >conditions as the original sources. For example, the patches to the Linux > >kernel, patches to many existing utilities, and new programs and libraries > >available here are released under the terms and conditions of the GNU > > General Public License (GPL). The patches to some existing utilities and > > libraries available here are released under the terms and conditions of > > the BSD license. > > > >I downloaded the patch from http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/src-disclaim.html > >which has the following disclaimer: > > > >Before downloading this software, you must accept the warranty exclusion > > and limitation of liability which appears below. > > > >WARRANTY EXCLUSION > > > >I expressly understand and agree that this software is a non-commercially > >developed program that may contain "bugs" (as that term is used in the > >industry) and that it may not function as intended. The software is > > licensed "as is". NSA makes no, and hereby expressly disclaims all, > > warranties, express, implied, statutory, or otherwise with respect to the > > software, including noninfringement and the implied warranties of > > merchantability and fitness for a particular purpose. > > > >LIMITATION OF LIABILITY > > > >In no event will NSA be liable for any damages, including loss of data, > > lost profits, cost of cover, or other special, incidental, consequential, > > direct or indirect damages arising from the software or the use thereof, > > however caused and on any theory of liability. This limitation will apply > > even if NSA has been advised of the possibility of such damage. I > > acknowledge that this is a reasonable allocation of risk. -- http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/ Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page